Phases of the Swing - Impact

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For 3D I thought we'd start covering the different phases of the swing focusing

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on impact, working our way with the anatomy, we're gonna work our way up to

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the neck and we're gonna specifically talk about the hyoid which is this

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little floating bone in the middle of your throat and then we've got a couple

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good discussion and questions but if you if you didn't get to submit any

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questions and you want to do so now I'll check the chat periodically. So let's

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get it going so you can see the cursor. Okay so I'll bring up the 3D but as we

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looking at impact these are the different kind of ideas that we want to focus

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on. So these are just the screenshots from the book and I'm going to go through

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kind of how all these pieces look on the 3D graph so you kind of have a rough

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understanding when you're looking at 3D and hopefully this will help tie in why

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these these phenomena are happening. So in the in your PowerPoint I've got the

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the graphs of the 4 players that we'll look at but we'll switch over. All right

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so

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now we can kind of play along or play along with it. All right so I'm gonna

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take it to impact. Good and the first thing we'll talk about is the body

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changes.

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So and the ones I use in the book were kind of some rough guidelines based on

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the database averages. So some of them won't necessarily fit with every single

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player. In fact very few players are perfectly average. It's more likely that

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they'll be towards one extreme than the other compared to average but these

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will

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give you some good rough guides. So and I had a one of the questions that we'll

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get to later reference kind of players who hit the ball long way versus players

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who hit the ball short. So I gave us one pro and one amateur each from more of

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what I would consider the long category and from the short category. So here we

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got a player who hits the ball long way and we'll start with the body. So those

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are going to be the most common ones that you're going to see because KVES

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measures gears will measure them, AMM will measure them. If you're using let's

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see my swing would have measured them 4D so pretty much everything's going to

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give you the body positions and the body angles. The body angles are I'd say

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they're a couple of them are very useful but the positions are probably more

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useful which is a shame because most of the average you know the the cheaper 3D

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systems are all inertial which makes it hard for them to get positions. So from

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the angle standpoint we're going to see that the lower body is typically more

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rotated than the upper body. So in this particular case it's 20 degrees

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somewhere around 15 degrees is probably closer to average and he's a little bit

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on the high end with his pelvis rotation but he's longer hitter and he may be

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using that to allow for greater leg action who knows. Okay so he's 55 degrees

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open with his pelvis, 34 with his upper body but there's a differential of

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20 or so. Now the other big one's going to be the side bend component. So

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golfers who have more of a body driven swing are going to be 30 and above and

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then golfers who have more of a arm driven swing will probably be a little

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closer to 20 in terms of side bend. So that's a useful parameter. So that's a

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useful parameter that I'd say, sorry I got a little distracted there. So side

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bend is a useful parameter that you'll see all of the 3D programs kind of tie

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in on. Hold on one second got one one question coming in. Okay all right so

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then if we jump to the the linear's those are actually going to be a

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little bit more I wouldn't say useful but kind of exciting. They're going to be

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little bit more telling because the harsh truth is most amateurs will be

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under rotated compared to all tour pros, whether it's the, whether it's the

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those

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who, okay sorry again question coming in. So most golfers are going to be

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under rotated. Most amateur golfers are going to be under rotated compared to

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the tour averages even the low end of tour averages and that tends to be

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because they use a little bit more of their arms with the overall as their

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power source and a little less the body. So now if we jump to the the linear

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changes you'll typically see about four inches of pelvis way. Four to six is

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probably closer to average. I put three to six in the in the book just to keep

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it even on the bigger ends of you know include the full standard for standard

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deviation. And then typically with the driver especially your longer hitters

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will usually be a little bit behind behind where they started. So we've got

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this particular golfer one inch further away than where he started. So you can

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see the address position. He's actually backing up. He'll finish his follow-

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through

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position which we'll cover in the release. He'll we'll finish that even a

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couple inches further back than than where he was at impact. So the next one in

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the

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linear's would be more the thrust. So you'll see that the upper body for a lot

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golfers does move a little bit of a way. So I gave him about a one one to one

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a half inches or so. But this golfer's two inches. So there there is a little

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bit of

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extension or sorry not extension but translation away from the golf ball. Now

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I've talked a little bit with Phil about this and we're not quite quite sure

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the location of the virtual sensor for the thor expositions on AMM is slightly

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towards the front half of the body. So the more rotation you have it's possible

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that that's going to show up as more movement away from the golf ball as well

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as it'll show up as more movement up. So this particular golfer who has a bunch

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more rotation will typically show up as a little bit more lifted with the

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thorax lift. And the pelvis lift will usually be a little bit more than the

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thorax lift. So that's part of using the ground and kind of using the abs

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properly will show up in that relationship there. And then the last

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one that we that we didn't cover in the thorax angles would have been the bend.

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And typically the golfer will be extending going into impact but they

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will be closer in their forward bend to the setup posture. They'll be usually a

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little bit less because they'll reach slightly more during the downswing and

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then start extending through impact so it'll typically be a little bit less.

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Okay so then looking at the arms this is where I think it can get useful and

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kind of exciting. At impact golfers will typically have about 20 to even 40

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degrees more flex. There's a number of them who are closer to that 40 range so

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included that but as an average I'd say it's probably about 25. It's a one of

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lowest I've seen is probably like 10 to 15 and the upper is like 45 degrees

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more

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flexed with that lead wrist compared to impact. The trail wrist is typically

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going to be a little bit less than that so trail wrist will typically be about

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20 to 25 or maybe even up to 30 degrees more extended than it was at setup. So

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this golfer is 16 or he's probably 16 to 18 somewhere in there I didn't

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remember the pinpoint what he was at setup we can take a look at that real

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quick. So from 20 to 35 so 16 and then rotation wise is tricky because this the

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rotations don't include the shoulder or it's not compared to the target so just

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because you see pronation and supination doesn't mean that the club moved it

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means that the arm changed position but if the shoulder moved it then you

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wouldn't see a whole lot of actual hand change. So most pros will be a little

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bit more pronated than they were at setup with the lead wrist. That one's

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pretty consistent. Then one of the big keys that I look for is that is the arc

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width pattern and the ability to create the flat spot and so to do that you

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to have your ulnar deviation happening through impact with both wrists and you

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want your arms which are down here straightening through impact. So those

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are some of the big kind of buckets. As far as I have one kind of

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controversial point in the book which is that both arms are supinating so you

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can see that both arms are moving up on the graph which is supination. You'll

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see

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that typically that right arm will switch from pronation or from

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supination to pronation really close to impact. So virtually a few frames

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before or a few frames after and many amateurs switch it over much sooner.

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That's part of why they get a little bit more of a look of a flip roll to their

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pattern through the wall. Okay so if we if we look at a golfer who is more on

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the shorter end of the spectrum he no longer plays on Tor. That's mostly

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teaching but he won on Tor and put it that way. He wasn't the greatest boss

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raker. Oh whoops that's the am. I was like that does not look like a pro.

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Okay so now we've got another golfer and we'll just kind of you'll see that a

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lot of this is going to be I don't want to say universal but there'll be

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subtle differences between golfers who hit the ball a long way and golfers who

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hit the ball a short way from a kinematic standpoint. So he's a little

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bit less rotated but there are some long golfers who don't get quite as much

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rotation they just tend to power it more with their arms and they have very

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strong powerful arms so they're able to do you know to make it all work. I

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say one tendency you'll see on more of the shorter hitters is that they're a

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little bit taller with the thorax at impact compared to the longer hitters

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will typically be a little bit more down. So that'd be one parameter that I'd

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say

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you could use as a as an indicator for their potentially how much speed they're

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creating. So you'll see pelvis is in about the same position didn't go quite

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as back as much but that would make sense with the not going quite as much

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down and then potentially a little bit more thrust of the pelvis and reverse

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thrust. So he's got a little more stand-up to accompany a little bit straighter

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arms. If you jump back to the last one you'll see that his trail arm is bent

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just a little bit more but overall he's this particular golfer is close to that

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40 degrees trail arm bent with driver so visually he would look like yeah he's

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got a solidish swing decent-ish swing but you'll see the rotations and the

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side bends. One interesting thing about the side bend I've heard other

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instructors mention that it's usually kind of a one-to-one comparison. I think

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that's because both averages are somewhere around 30 degrees but what

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you'll see is the golfers you use a little bit more of their upper body will

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have less rotation in but still about the same amount of side bend. You rarely

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elite golfers without enough side bend even if you see them with not enough or

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on the lighter side of rotation there are some of those and then in terms of

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arms straightening through impact, straightening through impact we can see

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on this elbow separation graph this is a common we talked about this a little

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bit

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in the white video or the white discussion but the arms straightening

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here his arms his elbows are getting about six degrees or sorry six inches

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closer together through his release. That's one of my one of my real big keys

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the arms getting closer together because that helps create that arc width but

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you'll see he's he's in the kind of in the ballpark in terms of flexion he's in

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the ballpark in terms of extension he's got both arms only deviating he's in

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the

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ballpark in terms of supination so unfortunately you know it'd be really

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easy if all long hitters looked a certain way and all short hitters looked a

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certain

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way but you'll you don't see that but the the good news with that is that these

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graphs are more I'd say like the a lot of the stuff that I teach is more driven

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towards creating that consistent pattern and getting higher compression in ball

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speed so maximizing what you do versus creating the greatest amount of club

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head speed you can. Most many golfers doing this pattern are pretty close to

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the top as far as how much club head speed they're able to create but I there

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are potential ways like I think there are potential ways you could swing

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faster and not have these great graphs but you wouldn't be nearly as consistent

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okay so then if we jump to the amateurs now we'll start to see maybe a few

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differences so this is a long hitting amateur so about a 10 handicap but you

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know loses a number of balls off the tee when he's you know ends up hitting

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iron

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a fair amount of the time and you'll you'll quickly see why so the the rot

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ations

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you can see the thorax and pelvis are pretty close to matched up so he doesn't

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have nearly as much of the differential between the upper body and lower body

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so that tends the creep will create a little bit more steep or leftward path

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and the upper body is shifted about three inches closer to the golf ball with a

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driver so that's much more of kind of an iron base movement he's a little more

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arm dominant so you'll see the the thorax lift to accompany that arms a

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little bit straighter it impact that trail arm is anyway and the lead arm

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and you'll see he's probably close but let's see so at address position yeah he

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in the 20 so he's on the lower end of lead wrist flexion but you'll see that

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there's not as much pronation that's typically because of this matched up

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pattern with the the arms the arm like because his body's not quite as open or

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as down the arms are a little bit more in front of his body so you'll typically

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see less of a change or less of that pronation at impact but both arms are

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definitely only deviating but the elbows they're not too bad kind of start

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bending a little bit quicker they do get closer together through impact that

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that part is pretty good but because of his upper body being lifted up and not

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a lot of rotation the club's going to pass his body sooner than than you'd

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want which is why his arc width will appear pretty narrow there he's also a

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golfer who kind of really favors like hyper extending and straightening those

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arms it set up so it's hard for him to get more straight at impact than it was

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at setup good to see Tim and Ed chime in on the call let me know if you guys

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have any questions and then let's go short hitting immature golfer so with

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this you know kind of level one stuff I want you to be really comfortable with

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all the parameters in the in the book you know in the stock tour swing model

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so I figured this be a good place to kind of go and here's a here's a short

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hitter this is one of the things that you'll see time and time again so now at

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impact this golfer is 15 degrees open I don't know if you saw but at set up

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they're 12 degrees open so basically this golfer is three degrees more open

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at impact than they were at setup that's the golfer who when you're looking at

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them from a down the line camera almost looks the same it set up as they did at

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impact you'll typically see that closer differential with amateurs especially

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short hitting amateurs the long hitting one previously was a little bit of an

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anomaly no axis tilt whatsoever so five inches of sway of both so this golfer

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would look like he has a massive forward lunge and kind of get ahead of the

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golf ball and so as a result he's going to have those arms not able to straight

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en

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on the way through you'll see that the elbow separation has a very different

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pattern than what we saw with those pros it's tending to bend right at impact

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and the arms are not continuing up there the elbows are bending especially that

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lead elbow so he's got a big chicken wing you can see it kind of starting to

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form here down in the bottom impact he'll be you won't have motorcycle quite as

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much you can see a no motorcycle in transition yeah so he's on that low end

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of less than 15 degrees change between lead and and this is a you know a five

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handicap so he's a good weak golfer but he only hits the ball you know 210

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yards

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or so gets up and down from everywhere so you can see with not being open as

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much he actually has his arms more across his body than you would imagine so he

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got a little bit of the lead arm pronation here is what you can see the

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the trail arm starting to pronate and pronate pretty fast but starting to

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pronate a little bit more before impact and what we saw with the pros so he is

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a little bit more down which doesn't totally fit the pattern except he's more

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of a he's not down because he's using his his legs really powerfully he's down

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because he's doing more of like a chopped pattern with his arms so kind of

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more of a castance and chicken wing style pattern here all right we'll bring

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up one more pro so another another one in more the long category this one's

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quite long and if we take him to impact again 30 degrees open 35 degrees side

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bend so he's kind of in more that body pattern little bit more body open which

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you will see but it's not an absolute fair amount of upper body back fair

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amount of upper body down really using the lower body so not down because he's

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doing a chop but down because he's pushing against the ground and creating

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more friction but big old access tilt 4.6 pelvis compared to -1.8 so

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over six degree difference linearly you can kind of see the angle of his body

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down here in the corner and then lots of stretch shortens going on with his

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arms so lots of maximum stretches being hit on the downswing but a fair amount

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you know he's a little more than 20 degrees flexed a little more than 30

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degrees or close to 30 degrees more extended with the trail wrist so he's on

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the upper end there probably more of a trail arm kind of feel of control but

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not necessarily and then lead arm has that powerful little lead arm whip

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trail arms bent but straightening lead arm is bent but straightening elbow

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separation getting really close together so that those are kind of like the big

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parameters and then some of these other you know some of the other things I

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talk about are the little relationship details that of how these pieces match

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up with each other but if you're good enough on just kind of the big picture of

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the the body from these four and you're good enough on the big picture of the

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arms from the wrist and the elbows then you have a decent kind of understanding

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of the model and where you're trying to get to an impact pause for a second

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in case there's any questions about these 3d's before we jump into the

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anatomy of the neck which is if you come up with anything later feel free to

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feel

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free to ask then we'll probably come back to it with one of the questions okay

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so

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this is one of the kind of fun little memes out there which is the neck is

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getting beaten up there was a study I saw a few weeks ago about some research

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done in either New Zealand or Australia I can't remember but that the kids are

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actually starting to get some of these degenerative neck conditions that you

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typically would only see with like 60-70-80 year olds you're now seeing it in

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teenagers so Tex neck is a real deal that we're gonna have to work with as

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golf instructors Tex neck is typically a straightening of the cervical spine

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then a big kyphosis but this is just you know kind of one of those more

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satirical comments but alright let's let's jump into some of the key pieces of

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the neck so we started down at the tailbone and kind of worked our way up so

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again there's four main curves so cervical curve thoracic curve lumbar

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curve sacral curve four main curves provides shock absorption when we're

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looking at the cervical curve it should have a lordosis not like mine for my

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car accident but should have a lordosis they typically break the neck into like

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two necks you have your C1 C2 as like the upper cervical and then C3 through

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seven as the lower cervical and they they definitely function very

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differently the neck is the most mobile area of the spine so flexion and

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extension pretty close to you should be able to touch your chin to your sternum

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and then get your head just about parallel up with the ground if you were

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looking upward those would be normal flexion extension lateral flexion is

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about 45 degrees and rotation is almost practically looking over your shoulder

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so 80 degrees so whoops so this is that C1 C2 function and look very different

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than the rest of the vertebra C1 C2 is where virtually all your nodding and

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rotation comes from and then the side bend tends to happen throughout the

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entire cervical spine so you do have a fair amount of flexion extension in the

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the lower cervical but you have a lot of it in the upper cervical as well the

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side bending is much more evenly distributed like this so that's an

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important factor to when you're looking at a golfer move and then rotation wise

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almost all of the rotation is happening in the upper cervical area so there's

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the seven different cervical vertebra

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they're just thought this was a neat little picture of the the set joint so

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the facet joint in the cervical spine is a little bit more angled into rotation

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side bend which is why you are able to rotate as opposed to the lumbar spine

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which is much more vertical you can see that these are closer to horizontal

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they're on a slight angle but they're definitely not vertical or blocking

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rotation the way that we saw with the lumbar now one other before we jump into

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the musculature and a little bit more details one important factor is that the

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neck can be very directly related to shoulder issues you can see all the

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nerves that come out from especially the the mid and lower cervical so directly

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related to shoulder and hand issues so the neck is quite an important structure

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for having really good feel or really good hands or having a good release so

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take care of that thing and look out for issues so the cervical vertebra you

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know if you if you check some of the older what you'll see from the cervical

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vertebra is it tends to have this kind of double transverse process or what I'm

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drawing a blank on the bifurcated so it's got two different kind of vertebra

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for

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a couple different muscle attachments so it's a little bit more versatile in

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that

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sense and this is one of the classic signs that you're looking at a cervical

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vertebra is that it has this hole in the middle of the transverse process for

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the

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viteral artery to go through the atlas and the axis look very different so

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there's

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couple kind of cartoon drawings of them the axis is C2 has this vertical

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projection called the dens and that goes up and it's held by the allar lig

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aments

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and or the allar ligaments are on the side of transverse process transverse

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ligament in front but this is what creates kind of that all the rotational

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capability of the cervical spine or the upper cervical spine this is also the

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bone that gets broken in what's called a like if this breaks it's it's quite

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serious it's what breaks when they would used to hang people this bone is

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basically what would push into the spinal cord and ultimately caused the

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death from called hangman's fracture so this is a really critical area and what

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you'll see especially with a lot of your older golfers is some of their extra

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body movements are to help straighten the spine so that it can rotate a little

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bit better or to to kind of keep their their eyes and ears and and jaw more

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focused on the golf bar level with the golf ball but you're not going to do a

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whole lot with the the bones that's more for kind of chiro's PT's and osteo so

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let's look at the musculature so you'll see that the neck musculature and the

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shoulder musculature are directly tied together so oftentimes shoulder

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problems create neck problems neck problems create shoulder problems because

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of a lot of these muscles in here that use the shoulder blade as attachments

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of them a couple of the most common ones levator scapula which we'll look at a

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little bit more is one of the pesky ones if you ever wake up with a kink in

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your neck that's probably some irritation for the levator scapula and

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then the sternocleidomastoid is we'll look at another slide is one of the

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real important rotators in the neck and we'll we'll talk about another one

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called

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omohioid which is like the so as of the neck if you're on the trainer side

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these

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are some really important muscles as well as the traps but these are some

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really important muscles for maintaining general neck health and function so

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here's the that sternocleidomastoid right here it's got two different branches

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and

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you can see it kind of pulls that ear down and rotates it so it creates side

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bend as well as extension as well as rotation you can also start to see that

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there's a this bone here that we'll we'll talk about which is the hyoid bone

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the

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hyoid bone basically acts see if any of these have I'll be sure to add a slide

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that has a better picture of the hyoid bone but you can see it kind of that

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yellow marking there and the yellowish thing there the hyoid bone acts as a

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bubble level it's the it's the anchor for all the tongue musculature but it

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acts

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as like a bubble level so when that it's one of your big proprioceptive centers

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this bone has somewhere like 40 to 60 tendon ligament muscle attachments and

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so it has a lot of intelligence in that bone I know Jeff Magnum talks about

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aiming with your throat I've used that quite often as well so almost more so

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than your eyes your your brain can use this to help you coordinate where you

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are

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in space see a couple questions coming in but do you think neck rotation helps

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with shoulder rotation Matt wolf and DJ seem to exemplify this so I've got like

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got a little picture here towards the end so this is just a neat camera angle

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for Rory being able to see the neck rotation so you can see here at the top

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of the swing his neck is rotated over his left shoulder and and pointing more

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down and then here basically at impact and into follow through his neck is

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pointing over his right shoulder and slightly down compared to you know

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anatomical neutral so if you are limited in your neck rotation and

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flexibility then you're not going to be able to get into this position so what

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a lot of golfers here we'll make it so if I can't kind of rotate my neck like

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this well then my chest would be that much open which either means I'm going to

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lose sight of the golf wall or I'm going to stop myself short of making a

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complete turn and typically if those if the neck is limited in rotation and it

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not cut from arthritis if it's coming from the musculature well the muscles

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that limit the neck rotation will also limit the shoulder blade motion and as

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you guys know I'm huge into the shoulder blade is actually the intelligent

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center

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of the shoulder not the glenohumeral joint so if the shoulder blade is locked

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more in space then that's gonna limit your ability to use your shoulders as

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well so yes I do think that neck rotation helps with shoulder rotation so I see

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a couple questions from Tim can I speak on my neck issues and what you did

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rehab

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and what you do daily for neck issues yes so for for those of you that don't

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know I I basically gave myself a really tricky neck issue so if you look at

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this

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I actually have some laxity in one of these ligaments like very near the

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spinal cord so initially when I had neck issues I was getting kind of like

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almost spinal cord compression type symptoms which are interesting to say

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the least so I had done a number of different you know chiropractic and

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physical therapy and you know muscle activation dry needling soft tissue

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work isometric exercises all the kind of bullet stuff it wasn't until I really

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started working with Givoye that I was able to get back to much more functional

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I'm not a hundred percent yet but I do believe that potentially I'll get there

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with his help so I've had a few different the neck gets quite complicated

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because

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you can see all these little little things going on I've had some really good

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success with making sure that all these little muscles on the front of the

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throat have enough space so now that that's mostly from treatment there aren't

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really good exercises for trying to create space between the esophagus and

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the front of the spine but if it's bound up then when your body tries to

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rotate in order to protect the your swallowing mechanism it kind of pulls

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your neck out of alignment so that became a problem for rotating my head for

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playing golf in addition I had a shoulder injury when I was 15 so I had a

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shoulder

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injury then a car accident then lots of playing golf and cracking my own neck

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created a instability issue along with a very straight cervical spine and so it

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's

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I got kind of daily proprioception exercises for making sure that my neck

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is fairly straight because it'll have a tendency to kind of kink a little bit

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to

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the left I've got some stretches for levator scaps

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sternocleidomastoid homoheioid and then I've got some stability exercises for

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posterior coley and I try to keep the whole platform good so stuff for the

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first rib and shoulder and kind of all that so like my day-to-day program is

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probably about 30 to 40 minutes when I do like my full program it's probably

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closer to two hours of like what looks like physical therapy type exercises so

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nothing that I'd get a really big stretch or yeah you mentioned that you were

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also in a bad accident last June I have a lot of neck stiffness and it's

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difficult

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to play 18 holes now and hit a lot of balls practicing so here's the you know

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you asked about my story so I had seen a lot of people and it was I had gotten

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some results from a Nuka chiropractor out in California and ultimately we got

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to a certain point but it wasn't good enough where I could play golf and not

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have headaches so I started working with this guy Givoye who you've heard me

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mention a lot and basically for the last three and a half years or so I've had

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treatment from Guy in different cities so he he treats out of New York and

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Montreal and Fort Lauderdale and LA and Texas so I would fly around and see him

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you know every six to eight weeks or so to get treatment and then little

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updates

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in my program so the the hard thing is it's I think that especially when you

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get

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with the neck like the quality of the treatment is really important and what

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I noticed with him was the the precision of his adjustments were were quite

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different than any other chiropractor I'd ever worked with and the the

452
00:40:33.830 --> 00:40:34.820
important

453
00:40:34.820 --> 00:40:40.460
thing there was the exercises that so any adjustment will get you into good

454
00:40:40.460 --> 00:40:45.180
alignment but it's the the fascia that will pull you back out of alignment so

455
00:40:45.180 --> 00:40:52.580
unless you're doing daily exercises to to keep whatever he did for you you're

456
00:40:52.580 --> 00:40:59.140
probably gonna pull or you're probably going to revert afterward so I don't

457
00:40:59.140 --> 00:41:04.020
know what the what the iron neck is Tim but if you want to send me a a quick

458
00:41:04.020 --> 00:41:12.780
email with a link or something like that I can take a look at it so but yes as

459
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:20.860
far as what should that you do about flexibility and speed there's like so

460
00:41:20.860 --> 00:41:24.700
when you swing a golf club at about a hundred miles an hour down it impact

461
00:41:24.700 --> 00:41:28.860
there's about a hundred fifty pound pounds of force coming back up like

462
00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:33.280
momentarily there's a hundred fifty pounds of force coming back up through

463
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:37.200
your arms and so you need to make sure that you can transmit you know that you

464
00:41:37.200 --> 00:41:40.460
have good shoulder alignment you can transmit that force more into your core

465
00:41:40.460 --> 00:41:47.780
instead of just into taking it all in the neck by doing a shrug question from

466
00:41:47.780 --> 00:41:52.120
Fred just follow up on previous question I was referring to P at P4 when the

467
00:41:52.120 --> 00:41:52.300
golf

468
00:41:52.300 --> 00:42:03.880
first head is not exactly looking at the ball so yes the the as far as the

469
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:10.120
rotation at P4 yeah if your neck is limited then you're you're probably not

470
00:42:10.120 --> 00:42:17.960
going to get into this position so you either have to decide like some golfers

471
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.280
don't care if they're not looking at the ball other golfers will freak out if

472
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:26.260
they can't see the ball so that's kind of a decision for each individual golfer

473
00:42:26.260 --> 00:42:34.380
as to what your priorities are and and how you sense where the golf ball is

474
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:42.340
question or should neck stretches be included in the five-minute warmup too

475
00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:49.420
it's in so I have the next stuff in the analytic warmup and the most probably

476
00:42:49.420 --> 00:42:54.100
the the most important one I wouldn't think of a stretch but I want to activate

477
00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:59.180
all the neck muscles and get the neck ligaments warmed up so the the one in

478
00:42:59.180 --> 00:43:07.020
the so the seven part neck exercise there is is really good as far as warming

479
00:43:07.020 --> 00:43:07.180
up

480
00:43:07.180 --> 00:43:13.740
all all those neck muscles that we saw on those couple slides and I cover that

481
00:43:13.740 --> 00:43:19.260
in the in the analytic warmup not in the five-minute warmup for five-minute

482
00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:19.540
warmup

483
00:43:19.540 --> 00:43:23.780
is more for kind of just your casual golfer

484
00:43:23.780 --> 00:43:34.780
so yeah hopefully that answers your questions okay so jumping back a lot of

485
00:43:34.780 --> 00:43:41.750
the and to answer your question Tim the like all this soft tissue these are

486
00:43:41.750 --> 00:43:41.900
some

487
00:43:41.900 --> 00:43:46.700
of the bigger muscles connecting the hyoid you can see if if any of these are

488
00:43:46.700 --> 00:43:52.340
out of whack and out of balance they will tend to pull you down into more of

489
00:43:52.340 --> 00:43:58.220
that pikachu neck or that tech snack and so having treatment on these specific

490
00:43:58.220 --> 00:44:02.780
muscles I probably had four or five different treatment sessions from ghee

491
00:44:02.780 --> 00:44:08.660
on a lot of the these anterior neck muscles to do it right some of them you

492
00:44:08.660 --> 00:44:12.300
actually have to have treated like through your throat it's it's quite

493
00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:16.860
unpleasant but it's really helpful for creating more space on the front of your

494
00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:23.220
neck really important post with whiplash so that would be something worth

495
00:44:23.220 --> 00:44:32.060
looking into scaleings are scaleings are tricky in my personal experience or

496
00:44:32.060 --> 00:44:39.220
experience scaleings like you get temporary relief when you treat them or

497
00:44:39.220 --> 00:44:43.660
stretch them but they they flare back up really quickly where this other stuff

498
00:44:43.660 --> 00:44:49.080
if you take care of some of these other muscles then the scalies will naturally

499
00:44:49.080 --> 00:44:55.180
calm down a little bit on their own and for those of you who don't know these

500
00:44:55.180 --> 00:44:59.860
are your scalings these little muscles underneath your sternocleidomastoid and

501
00:44:59.860 --> 00:45:08.580
upper trap so these little three muscles that go from the sides of the neck to

502
00:45:08.580 --> 00:45:16.100
your first and second rib so a couple of the key ones omo hiyoid I think is one

503
00:45:16.100 --> 00:45:22.820
of the most important muscles for prescription and rehab it's it's it's

504
00:45:22.820 --> 00:45:28.180
called the soas of the neck so it's the one muscle that crosses from the

505
00:45:28.180 --> 00:45:32.340
anterior side of the neck to the posterior side of the neck just like the the

506
00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:32.620
soas

507
00:45:32.620 --> 00:45:39.180
does for the pelvis and then the levator scap is another really big one so the

508
00:45:39.180 --> 00:45:44.460
you can see a lot of muscles connect on these transverse processes which was

509
00:45:44.460 --> 00:45:48.820
the that bifunkated so these they connect on either the front side or the

510
00:45:48.820 --> 00:45:55.100
back side and the scalings would be kind of underneath these so this is the

511
00:45:55.100 --> 00:46:01.020
classic I don't think he's doing great job but this is the classic levator scap

512
00:46:01.020 --> 00:46:05.060
stretch and you can see that neck posture almost looks like what the neck

513
00:46:05.060 --> 00:46:10.380
would be like at the top of the swing so if you if you don't have a real good

514
00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:16.620
functioning levator scap then you're probably going to be a little bit more

515
00:46:16.620 --> 00:46:21.740
limited in your your top of the swing position

516
00:46:22.060 --> 00:46:27.660
again I'll leave that picture in this slide for you because it's just a good

517
00:46:27.660 --> 00:46:32.900
way to see a good angle for seeing how much neck range of motion is actually

518
00:46:32.900 --> 00:46:38.260
covered in order to make a normal functional golf swing

519
00:46:38.260 --> 00:46:50.180
any other questions about the neck so warming it up with the the integrated

520
00:46:50.180 --> 00:46:56.900
shoulder movement in the analytic warm-up is good if you have somebody in your

521
00:46:56.900 --> 00:47:01.460
area who does Eldoas those are great for for a tech snack and kind of creating

522
00:47:01.460 --> 00:47:10.540
some space if you there are if you if you can find someone who does really good

523
00:47:10.540 --> 00:47:14.780
neck soft tissue they're they're hard to find but they're great when you find

524
00:47:14.780 --> 00:47:24.700
them yeah okay so then we had a handful of questions glad to see both Fred and

525
00:47:24.700 --> 00:47:29.780
Tim are on the call because I've got some questions from each of you so Fred

526
00:47:29.780 --> 00:47:34.460
can we examine the relationship between pelvic movements for long distance

527
00:47:34.460 --> 00:47:39.180
players for a short hitters so what I tried to do with the warm-up or sorry

528
00:47:39.180 --> 00:47:43.100
with the 3D in this was to show you that you're not going to see a huge

529
00:47:43.100 --> 00:47:47.220
difference as far as the 3D where you would see the big difference would be in

530
00:47:47.220 --> 00:47:52.340
the force plate data or the force generation data so long hitters will tend

531
00:47:52.340 --> 00:47:58.340
to apply more force into that lead foot by the time the lead arm is parallel to

532
00:47:58.340 --> 00:48:01.700
the ground compared to short hitters short hitters will typically apply that

533
00:48:01.700 --> 00:48:11.820
force later so you'll but you won't see a big positional difference for the

534
00:48:11.820 --> 00:48:15.820
long hitters that the closest thing you'll see positionally is more you'll see

535
00:48:15.820 --> 00:48:15.860
a

536
00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:19.900
bunch of stretch shortened cycles on the downswing so you'll see a lot of the

537
00:48:19.900 --> 00:48:24.900
graphs reaching their peaks more on the downswing rather than at the top of the

538
00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:31.860
swing which is more what you'll see with short hitters same thing boat as far

539
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:31.860
as

540
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:39.060
the relationship between thoracic spine extension at P4 for for distance

541
00:48:39.060 --> 00:48:39.340
hitters

542
00:48:39.340 --> 00:48:43.660
and short hitters I wouldn't say that there's there's potentially the capacity

543
00:48:43.660 --> 00:48:48.020
for for a little more distance if you have more spine extension but the average

544
00:48:48.020 --> 00:48:48.180
is

545
00:48:48.180 --> 00:48:54.900
pretty close to zero so even some of the short hitters get full spine

546
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:59.560
extension at the top I wouldn't say that that by itself is correlated at the

547
00:48:59.560 --> 00:49:04.940
tour level with your older golfers that's probably an important consideration

548
00:49:04.940 --> 00:49:15.380
but I'd say the like that single parameter wouldn't necessarily be tied at the

549
00:49:15.380 --> 00:49:21.740
tour level because most most of the golfers get pretty close to zero in terms

550
00:49:21.740 --> 00:49:21.740
of

551
00:49:21.740 --> 00:49:26.580
spine flexion extension at the top of the swing and it's so it would be more

552
00:49:26.580 --> 00:49:30.100
like some subtle differences there

553
00:49:31.700 --> 00:49:35.660
Fred's question might be obvious but would you say stop swinging the club if

554
00:49:35.660 --> 00:49:40.700
you have a strained neck would there be further damage if you kept swinging

555
00:49:40.700 --> 00:49:47.620
through pain I'm not a licensed medical to be able to to give anyone advice

556
00:49:47.620 --> 00:49:52.780
there I have I've played with all kinds of you know stiff necks and basically

557
00:49:52.780 --> 00:49:57.260
what I would do is when my neck was out of whack I had kind of two different

558
00:49:57.260 --> 00:50:04.340
swings so I had a swing that relied more on like body and shoulder rotation I

559
00:50:04.340 --> 00:50:04.860
was

560
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:09.660
kind of my default swing but then when my neck was out I would shorten my my

561
00:50:09.660 --> 00:50:15.700
turn and use more of the wrist action for power so I wouldn't hit it quite as

562
00:50:15.700 --> 00:50:24.180
far but I could still play if I had a stiff neck but you you do run the risk

563
00:50:24.180 --> 00:50:32.580
of creating some more damage especially you know as far as playing with pain

564
00:50:32.580 --> 00:50:37.780
killers I mean that's that's a personal decision pain is a warning signal so it

565
00:50:37.780 --> 00:50:37.820
's

566
00:50:37.820 --> 00:50:44.100
your it'd be like it's your choice to cover up the the warning signal or listen

567
00:50:44.100 --> 00:50:48.760
to it you know depends how important the round is I think

568
00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:55.380
okay Fred's next question bracing combos for ball strikers and distance players

569
00:50:55.380 --> 00:51:01.620
highlighted on the graphs so again so the bracing combos the the main thing

570
00:51:01.620 --> 00:51:09.100
you'll you'll see from a bracing standpoint if I jump back to this would

571
00:51:09.100 --> 00:51:15.980
be the flat line of the pelvis so the lateral movement of the pelvis getting

572
00:51:15.980 --> 00:51:21.660
flat line through impact combined with a wider arc with graph that would be a

573
00:51:21.660 --> 00:51:25.920
bracing and the arms straightening on the way through that would be a I'm br

574
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:26.700
acing

575
00:51:26.700 --> 00:51:34.820
with more of my body the amateur bracing pattern would be more of the arc with

576
00:51:34.820 --> 00:51:39.140
narrowing quickly and the arms bending on the way through that would be I'm

577
00:51:39.140 --> 00:51:45.460
bracing more with my my biceps and my upper traps and my deltoids and things

578
00:51:45.460 --> 00:51:47.460
like that

579
00:51:47.460 --> 00:51:57.820
all right back to the questions from your all from your webinar in the white

580
00:51:57.820 --> 00:51:58.380
can

581
00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:02.420
you highlight the most important areas in the graphs because the cursor was

582
00:52:02.420 --> 00:52:08.860
missing yes so let me switch that over now that I figured out the cursor okay

583
00:52:08.860 --> 00:52:08.860
so

584
00:52:08.860 --> 00:52:17.180
the wipe on the the the wipe is the wipe is a sign that you're using the

585
00:52:17.180 --> 00:52:23.020
moment of force to create the speed as opposed to the couple and the the wipe

586
00:52:23.020 --> 00:52:27.980
movements that you'll see on 3d would be in the elbow separation seeing right

587
00:52:27.980 --> 00:52:33.180
here where there's a dip where the elbows actually get wider as they're

588
00:52:33.180 --> 00:52:37.860
coming into the release and then straightening on the way through you will

589
00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:44.300
see a rehinge of the lead wrist or sorry the trail wrist right in through there

590
00:52:44.300 --> 00:52:48.700
so you can see that red line dropping down that would be the wrist more wipe

591
00:52:48.700 --> 00:52:55.420
and then the lead elbow bending right there but all of that is a sign that

592
00:52:55.420 --> 00:53:02.460
you're pulling axially along the grip as opposed to rotating the grip with more

593
00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:10.340
the hands or the couple so just as a quick so the white is basically at a you

594
00:53:10.340 --> 00:53:15.900
know that from here I'm pulling this way on the club so in the direction that

595
00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:21.300
it's pointing as opposed to applying force to the club this way kind of in

596
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:28.270
that mid downswing or in the delivery delivery position so hopefully that

597
00:53:28.270 --> 00:53:28.620
clears

598
00:53:28.620 --> 00:53:38.340
it up okay swing analysis let's jump over there

599
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:47.700
okay so and you're you're welcome to do this coaches if you want you know to

600
00:53:47.700 --> 00:53:57.060
look at your swing in addition to your students this is one of our coaches

601
00:53:57.060 --> 00:54:04.220
looking at so we'll jump back there so as spoken before I'm still inconsistent

602
00:54:04.220 --> 00:54:10.580
with my wedges due to thin fat sometimes shanks analyze the distance and fines

603
00:54:10.580 --> 00:54:10.580
se

604
00:54:10.580 --> 00:54:18.660
wedge so whenever I hear thin fat sometimes shanks you know distance control

605
00:54:18.660 --> 00:54:27.230
issues inconsistency then it's it's likely looking for some type of flat spot

606
00:54:27.230 --> 00:54:27.500
or

607
00:54:27.500 --> 00:54:31.500
sequencing issue on the way through so I'm probably looking at well is there a

608
00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:40.660
big pivot issue or is there a big wrist release issue so if we look at what's

609
00:54:40.660 --> 00:54:49.100
going on on the way through so if you remember from the last two webinars the

610
00:54:49.100 --> 00:54:54.180
idea of creating more of a coasting movement you can see that there's a fair

611
00:54:54.180 --> 00:55:02.380
amount of wrist action from the on the way through and so you know if we could

612
00:55:02.380 --> 00:55:10.580
zoom in you can see the club coming up off the ground quite quickly so it's a

613
00:55:10.580 --> 00:55:17.550
above the ground and then it's it's only on the ground for a split second and

614
00:55:17.550 --> 00:55:17.940
so

615
00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:22.820
that's typically going to cause more of that inconsistent contact as opposed to

616
00:55:22.820 --> 00:55:28.700
getting the club low to the ground for a longer period of time if we look at it

617
00:55:28.700 --> 00:55:34.140
from the face-on view perhaps or sorry from the down the line view perhaps we

618
00:55:34.140 --> 00:55:34.140
'll

619
00:55:34.140 --> 00:55:38.620
see why the shanks could be in play although this it looks like you're more

620
00:55:38.620 --> 00:55:43.900
biased towards the toe the bigger thing is it it does look like the club is

621
00:55:43.900 --> 00:55:48.740
because of the wrist movement the club is only on the ground oh you can't see

622
00:55:48.740 --> 00:55:53.500
anything that I'm doing all right we'll do that again

623
00:55:58.700 --> 00:56:08.260
okay sorry about that so again I'm largely looking for what would create

624
00:56:08.260 --> 00:56:13.220
kind of some inconsistent low point control for that solidness of contact

625
00:56:13.220 --> 00:56:17.780
and as I play it back and forth through here you'll see that the club is coming

626
00:56:17.780 --> 00:56:22.700
it's up off the ground and then it's up off the ground pretty quickly so it's

627
00:56:22.700 --> 00:56:28.500
only on the ground for a short period of time typically that happens when more

628
00:56:28.500 --> 00:56:35.860
of the movement is controlled with the wrist and I would say that you know what

629
00:56:35.860 --> 00:56:44.260
we talked about briefly in that or in that last webinar you can see the track

630
00:56:44.260 --> 00:56:50.180
of the shoulders so when I'm looking at consistency I'm looking at the

631
00:56:50.180 --> 00:56:59.620
contribution of steeps and shallows and so you can see the video now correct

632
00:56:59.620 --> 00:57:07.100
let's say there's a little delay in the comments coming in so hopefully this is

633
00:57:07.100 --> 00:57:12.540
all again picked up but if I look at the track of the the shoulder movement

634
00:57:12.540 --> 00:57:17.100
right so there's roughly where the golf ball is and you'll see how much the

635
00:57:17.100 --> 00:57:22.380
shoulder movement is working more out towards the golf ball that could

636
00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:28.740
contribute towards the hitting it on the hosel but at the very least that is

637
00:57:28.740 --> 00:57:35.940
gonna create a steepening with the shoulder movement especially if I combo

638
00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:45.420
that with how much the there's 90 degrees so the entire body is basically

639
00:57:45.420 --> 00:57:50.480
past the golf ball so even though compared to the feet the the ball

640
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:55.010
position is in the middle compared to the body the ball position is quite back

641
00:57:55.010 --> 00:57:55.260
so

642
00:57:55.260 --> 00:58:00.180
that causes more of a steepening combined with a steeper shoulder pivot

643
00:58:00.180 --> 00:58:06.340
and then you use those wrists to kind of shallow it out last minute but when

644
00:58:06.340 --> 00:58:10.980
you're shallowing it out with those wrists the club will not stay on the

645
00:58:10.980 --> 00:58:18.500
ground for a very long period of time so that would give me typically the fear

646
00:58:18.500 --> 00:58:24.550
of some leading edge because of the body or at the very least inconsistency

647
00:58:24.550 --> 00:58:24.700
with

648
00:58:24.700 --> 00:58:36.220
some limited flat spot if I remember I think it was in May yes so just as a

649
00:58:36.220 --> 00:58:41.340
little reminder of kind of one of the videos I share with my my students a lot

650
00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:48.660
that I will put online at some point collect trying to collect more of these

651
00:58:48.660 --> 00:58:56.620
so on a finesse wedge shot I want you to watch first look at the height of the

652
00:58:56.620 --> 00:59:01.060
golf club and the height of the leading edge compared to the ground and you'll

653
00:59:01.060 --> 00:59:08.030
see okay it's making contact with the ground right around there and then

654
00:59:08.030 --> 00:59:08.580
sliding

655
00:59:08.580 --> 00:59:14.580
along the ground sliding along the ground sliding along the ground and now it's

656
00:59:14.580 --> 00:59:19.300
coming up off the ground so there was probably a good four inch window where

657
00:59:19.300 --> 00:59:24.060
if the ball had been anywhere in that four inch window it would have been an

658
00:59:24.060 --> 00:59:33.380
okay shot when I look at your finesse wedge if we zoom in there and get down

659
00:59:33.380 --> 00:59:36.580
close to the golf ball

660
00:59:36.580 --> 00:59:50.460
you can see the club is still quite high compared to the mat and then it's on

661
00:59:50.460 --> 00:59:56.420
the ground there and then now it's back up off the ground so it's it's got kind

662
00:59:56.420 --> 01:00:03.900
of a very narrow arc width and part of that is if you now watch your wrist okay

663
01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:08.020
so this gets into the coast coasting idea that we talked about but if you

664
01:00:08.020 --> 01:00:17.820
watch your wrist you can see the club passing your hands through there like so

665
01:00:17.820 --> 01:00:24.700
if we compare that to Graham McDowell over here and this is such a high frame

666
01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:30.300
rate that this one's a hard one to scrub through when I'm doing streaming

667
01:00:30.300 --> 01:00:38.700
but you can see the movement of the wrist through there so most of the casting

668
01:00:38.700 --> 01:00:38.820
in

669
01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:42.700
the wrist movement should happen earlier in the swing and then through the ball

670
01:00:42.700 --> 01:00:46.380
it would be a little bit more of a body hit but because of the plane of your

671
01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:49.680
shoulders being a little bit steep if you hit it more with your body it would

672
01:00:49.680 --> 01:00:49.820
be

673
01:00:49.820 --> 01:00:56.550
more diggy so that's probably those are the two pieces you'd want to balance

674
01:00:56.550 --> 01:00:56.700
out

675
01:00:56.700 --> 01:01:02.660
to get a little bit more consistent with your wedges and then as you did that

676
01:01:02.660 --> 01:01:02.860
as

677
01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:07.820
you took out your hands I think you and you got your shoulders more on on plane

678
01:01:07.820 --> 01:01:13.300
instead of steep you'd be able to not be quite as far behind or sorry ahead of

679
01:01:13.300 --> 01:01:21.940
the golf ball so then the distance wedges will typically be a similar pattern

680
01:01:21.940 --> 01:01:22.260
but

681
01:01:22.260 --> 01:01:31.820
a little bit different because here now we need to create a bit more speed so I

682
01:01:31.820 --> 01:01:36.740
would say you do have the same kind of the the shoulder plane is a little bit

683
01:01:36.740 --> 01:01:45.140
more almost like a driver swing let's see what we do lunge-wise compared to the

684
01:01:45.140 --> 01:01:53.180
golf ball sometimes it's easy when it's the same issue so yeah that's I'd say

685
01:01:53.180 --> 01:02:01.380
quite past the ball and then a little bit more of the club passing the hands on

686
01:02:01.380 --> 01:02:05.540
the way through so the good news is I think you could work on some similar

687
01:02:05.540 --> 01:02:14.540
pieces I would probably work more on with with the finesse wedge you want to

688
01:02:14.540 --> 01:02:14.660
use

689
01:02:14.660 --> 01:02:19.300
bounce with the distance wedge you don't really so I would probably work on

690
01:02:19.300 --> 01:02:24.060
keeping a little bit more of that angle on the way through with the with the

691
01:02:24.060 --> 01:02:27.060
distance wedge compared to the finesse wedge and I would probably work more on

692
01:02:27.060 --> 01:02:32.660
the body pivot with the finesse wedge but overall it looks like the same

693
01:02:32.660 --> 01:02:37.300
balancing is showing up in both of them where the shoulders are turning a

694
01:02:37.300 --> 01:02:37.500
little

695
01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:45.780
bit to level and then the wrists are left to flip and because of the wrist

696
01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:51.460
flip the upper body is completely past the golf ball so that's where I would

697
01:02:51.460 --> 01:02:56.620
work as far as rebalancing stuff

698
01:03:03.100 --> 01:03:11.660
okay and then a couple other questions came in so Tim let me know if I answer

699
01:03:11.660 --> 01:03:16.500
these so first let me answer the second one on there so I've been using the

700
01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:20.170
speed bomber training speed out in front one of them lock three training

701
01:03:20.170 --> 01:03:20.660
systems

702
01:03:20.660 --> 01:03:25.180
now I've been hitting pushes with the longer clubs driver in three wood I've

703
01:03:25.180 --> 01:03:29.340
been constantly looking at your release videos but I've been striking the ball

704
01:03:29.340 --> 01:03:42.820
so bad so let me so first things there so here's here's one of the like the

705
01:03:42.820 --> 01:03:49.460
cautionary tales of of speed training so one of the challenges with speed

706
01:03:49.460 --> 01:03:54.540
training whether it's the speed sticks or a rope or you know swinging a heavy

707
01:03:54.540 --> 01:04:00.260
club is it tends to emphasize the path more so than the face and if I'm trying

708
01:04:00.260 --> 01:04:05.180
if I was trying to create maximum speed with this club bed and not really worry

709
01:04:05.180 --> 01:04:09.020
about the face I would actually swing it like this where the face would be

710
01:04:09.020 --> 01:04:16.940
completely open basically the face would be in line with the shaft like this so

711
01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:23.820
so if I get used to swinging the weight of the object really fast oftentimes I

712
01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:31.660
lose a lot of my good release mechanics the other thing is that lag naturally

713
01:04:31.660 --> 01:04:37.300
opens the face lag by definition is leading more with the heel than the toe

714
01:04:37.300 --> 01:04:43.740
and so it's quite common that doing some sort of speed training causes you to

715
01:04:43.740 --> 01:04:48.980
have to deal with a open club face so like me personally I wouldn't have a

716
01:04:48.980 --> 01:04:54.140
problem working with that because I know how to close the face and adjust the

717
01:04:54.140 --> 01:04:59.360
face if I need to but if you take a golfer and you give them like let's say

718
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:03.100
you gave them a club face closing challenge so you said let's hit let's

719
01:05:03.100 --> 01:05:07.260
hit three drive or three three balls with three different curves so they're

720
01:05:07.260 --> 01:05:10.940
working on controlling the amount of face closing not just can they open or

721
01:05:10.940 --> 01:05:15.940
close it if they have a hard time with doing something like that then I would

722
01:05:15.940 --> 01:05:21.540
be very cautious about trying to add speed from speed training to their swing

723
01:05:21.540 --> 01:05:25.220
I would try to get them to hit it further from getting better compression

724
01:05:25.220 --> 01:05:32.460
not from adding club head speed so it's I wish it was less common but it's

725
01:05:32.460 --> 01:05:35.580
quite common that when you do speed training the club face is going to come

726
01:05:35.580 --> 01:05:39.580
in more open and you have to be prepared for that and work on closing the face

727
01:05:39.580 --> 01:05:45.100
and it could also because you're creating lag change some of the the

728
01:05:45.100 --> 01:05:48.860
low point change some of the path so you have to be comfortable with being able

729
01:05:48.860 --> 01:05:53.940
to adjust those variables as well which is why I tend to use the recipe of

730
01:05:53.940 --> 01:05:59.530
trying to get solid shots then straight then work on hitting it far if you can

731
01:05:59.530 --> 01:05:59.740
't

732
01:05:59.740 --> 01:06:04.500
control solid and and straight then I would be really cautious about working

733
01:06:04.500 --> 01:06:10.180
on hitting it far but now that you've got that problem you've got the good

734
01:06:10.180 --> 01:06:14.420
opportunity of really learning to understand how to control low point and

735
01:06:14.420 --> 01:06:19.780
club face so you mentioned you've been looking at the release videos you're

736
01:06:19.780 --> 01:06:24.020
welcome to comment below you know I'll answer your other question while you're

737
01:06:24.020 --> 01:06:33.340
commenting but what like what were you what did you try what worked what didn't

738
01:06:33.340 --> 01:06:38.820
work like what is what is I looked at your release videos mean while you're

739
01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:43.900
typing that in I'll look at have you ever discussed the drive hold method in

740
01:06:43.900 --> 01:06:49.620
relationship to flipping or gaining or losing or losing ball club head speed

741
01:06:49.620 --> 01:06:56.260
and consistency so I've you know I've read a number of Kelvin stuff and the

742
01:06:56.260 --> 01:07:02.340
the drive hold method was one of his more popular phrasing now there was some

743
01:07:02.340 --> 01:07:10.140
stuff in there like I so the the guy who I used as the long pro is definitely a

744
01:07:10.140 --> 01:07:15.420
drive hold method by Kelvin's definitions and you saw that that drive hold

745
01:07:15.420 --> 01:07:15.740
method

746
01:07:15.740 --> 01:07:22.340
had a fair amount of supination now Kelvin so let me start by saying I think

747
01:07:22.340 --> 01:07:26.060
there's more good things like more accurate things in Kelvin's description

748
01:07:26.060 --> 01:07:31.300
than bad but the idea that the forum doesn't supinate is only looking at it

749
01:07:31.300 --> 01:07:35.420
compared to the target not anatomically and then what he's doing with his

750
01:07:35.420 --> 01:07:35.820
shoulder

751
01:07:35.820 --> 01:07:47.460
I think is is also potentially not quite accurate but as far as for me the

752
01:07:47.460 --> 01:07:52.140
drive hold method is similar to what I teach I would say it's just some some

753
01:07:52.140 --> 01:07:59.660
little details and I'm not really my passion is not in describing the method

754
01:07:59.660 --> 01:08:07.580
the most accurately my my passion is is getting someone to do the movement so

755
01:08:07.580 --> 01:08:14.500
that's why my site is like you know 80% drills and probably 20% concept things

756
01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:19.900
because I think for most even if you had the concepts listed out a hundred

757
01:08:19.900 --> 01:08:23.220
percent accurately very few golfers would be able to do it unless they're

758
01:08:23.220 --> 01:08:30.140
willing to experiment with drills okay so Tim added some more I was struggling

759
01:08:30.140 --> 01:08:34.740
with pulled before and so I started focusing on looking further in front of

760
01:08:34.740 --> 01:08:40.100
the ball I used to use Kelvin's dry hold and I was more consistent but I had

761
01:08:40.100 --> 01:08:47.580
problems with creating speed so most recently over the top at the bottom so

762
01:08:47.580 --> 01:08:58.380
what so what does you say you were more consistent with Kelvin's drive hold was

763
01:08:58.380 --> 01:09:02.860
that consistent ground contact was that consistent shot shape was that

764
01:09:02.860 --> 01:09:13.340
consistent ball contact consistent trajectory what do you mean and the the

765
01:09:13.340 --> 01:09:19.860
challenges again when what most people describe is not a hundred percent

766
01:09:19.860 --> 01:09:27.780
accurate to what they were doing so when you were using Kelvin's drive hold was

767
01:09:27.780 --> 01:09:38.500
it like what were your main the drive hold method is the the concept of

768
01:09:38.500 --> 01:09:44.900
basically driving basically having very little change in the wrist and then

769
01:09:44.900 --> 01:09:51.700
driving through more with body rotation and arm extension so and I think that

770
01:09:51.700 --> 01:09:56.780
that's a good concept for a lot of golfers I think that more of the the wrist

771
01:09:56.780 --> 01:10:01.380
movement this way comes from proper bracing than actually from using the

772
01:10:01.380 --> 01:10:07.580
wrist in that way on a short shot or sorry not on a short in in like a full

773
01:10:07.580 --> 01:10:11.180
swing where you're actively pushing against the ground like the opposite of

774
01:10:11.180 --> 01:10:15.900
a short shot I think around the greens some guys do a little bit more for a lot

775
01:10:15.900 --> 01:10:27.740
more hand-specific manipulation but not so much with the full swing so there's

776
01:10:27.740 --> 01:10:33.420
there's he has got lots of articles on his if you if you searched Kelvin

777
01:10:33.420 --> 01:10:37.270
Miyahara and drive hold I'm sure you would be able to find that or possibly Tim

778
01:10:37.270 --> 01:10:37.460
can

779
01:10:37.460 --> 01:10:45.180
post you something if he has them so the and I do talk about there's three

780
01:10:45.180 --> 01:10:49.620
main there's three main skills right you've got hitting the ball solid hitting

781
01:10:49.620 --> 01:10:54.820
the ball straight and hitting the ball far and straight could be whatever curve

782
01:10:54.820 --> 01:11:01.220
you want but ideally your swing allows you to maximize all three of these or

783
01:11:01.220 --> 01:11:07.900
get close you always have to prioritize one or the other and so if you if you

784
01:11:07.900 --> 01:11:15.060
change one it always changes the other two and so that's where the the

785
01:11:15.060 --> 01:11:15.460
challenge

786
01:11:15.460 --> 01:11:22.460
you got up to was basically okay I could control straight but I and solid but I

787
01:11:22.460 --> 01:11:27.990
couldn't get far and so the problem with that method for you was that you weren

788
01:11:27.990 --> 01:11:28.060
't

789
01:11:28.060 --> 01:11:35.860
able to then add any extra amount of speed I think I have problems figuring out

790
01:11:35.860 --> 01:11:44.300
releasing the the trail hand or lead hand so have you have you done by the way

791
01:11:44.300 --> 01:11:48.180
you're not the first I have a student out here who study who worked with Kelvin

792
01:11:48.180 --> 01:11:53.420
for about two years and he kind of had the same pattern of not being able to

793
01:11:53.420 --> 01:11:59.220
create speed with the with the release and so you know we did a bunch of

794
01:11:59.220 --> 01:12:07.460
single arm stuff we did a bunch of single shoulder stuff but I would say

795
01:12:07.460 --> 01:12:16.700
that okay what that has identified is that you were having a release issue that

796
01:12:16.700 --> 01:12:22.300
you were able to cover up with the the drive hold method and so then when you

797
01:12:22.300 --> 01:12:29.460
tried to add speed it changed or messed up the timing between the the the

798
01:12:29.460 --> 01:12:29.740
release

799
01:12:29.740 --> 01:12:36.140
and the body pivot so you weren't able to increase them together and and some

800
01:12:36.140 --> 01:12:36.140
of

801
01:12:36.140 --> 01:12:40.420
that could have been just the idea of of holding and blocking with that lead

802
01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:47.220
arm is harder for creating speed compared to like letting that thing go

803
01:12:47.220 --> 01:12:54.620
especially with a with a stronger grip so I think you said you have a problem

804
01:12:54.620 --> 01:13:00.060
figuring out releasing with the trail hand or lead hand and that's where it

805
01:13:00.060 --> 01:13:04.860
does take a fair amount of you know kind of practice reps and experimentation

806
01:13:04.860 --> 01:13:04.980
to

807
01:13:04.980 --> 01:13:11.380
figure out how each arm works together or how each arm works and then which

808
01:13:11.380 --> 01:13:19.460
ones work best for you but you know perhaps you can send in your sending

809
01:13:19.460 --> 01:13:23.420
your single arm drill like we can I'll give you some instructions and you can

810
01:13:23.420 --> 01:13:27.780
send in some stuff for the for the next one in August and we can we can go

811
01:13:27.780 --> 01:13:30.500
through it in a little more detail it sounds like we've got some specific

812
01:13:30.500 --> 01:13:38.700
questions to kind of try to work through but it sounds like we've lost low

813
01:13:38.700 --> 01:13:46.620
point as well which is why you're not striking the wall solidly so alright

814
01:13:46.620 --> 01:13:55.140
I had a another come in question come in through through text the question was

815
01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:58.620
is it a natural progression for over the top golfers to start hitting it off

816
01:13:58.620 --> 01:14:06.380
the heel let me get back to okay is it a is it a natural progression for over

817
01:14:06.380 --> 01:14:09.940
the top golfers to start hitting off the heel when they start dropping the club

818
01:14:09.940 --> 01:14:16.340
on plane seeing that a lot with new golfers yes especially with new golfers

819
01:14:16.340 --> 01:14:22.260
the natural tendency is when you shallow the club it opens the face and when

820
01:14:22.260 --> 01:14:22.540
you

821
01:14:22.540 --> 01:14:29.060
create more leg it opens the face so in fact most good movements tend to open

822
01:14:29.060 --> 01:14:40.340
the face and some some golfers lose feeling and lose sight of the lose

823
01:14:40.340 --> 01:14:46.700
feeling of the club head so one of the ways that I explain it to golfers with

824
01:14:46.700 --> 01:14:50.900
beginner golfers I'll usually just put a yoga block or or something to help

825
01:14:50.900 --> 01:14:51.100
them

826
01:14:51.100 --> 01:14:56.700
redefine like where is the toe where is the heel but I'll do a lot of kind of

827
01:14:56.700 --> 01:15:00.940
feel awareness of like you know hitting the club in different spots and ask

828
01:15:00.940 --> 01:15:01.140
them

829
01:15:01.140 --> 01:15:12.220
what I'm hitting or I would ask them to deliberately try and hit it on the toe

830
01:15:12.220 --> 01:15:17.460
or in hit it on the heel and sometimes I'll have trouble with that but what can

831
01:15:17.460 --> 01:15:22.620
happen is two things will cause me to hit it more on the heel one if I'm coming

832
01:15:22.620 --> 01:15:27.340
in with the face more open that moves the heel here's where the heel is if I if

833
01:15:27.340 --> 01:15:27.500
I

834
01:15:27.500 --> 01:15:31.940
open the space you know if I keep the shaft in the same place and I open the

835
01:15:31.940 --> 01:15:37.460
face that heel ends up moving a little bit that way if I'm rotating around the

836
01:15:37.460 --> 01:15:43.180
center of mass which is here not around the shaft which is sometimes what they

837
01:15:43.180 --> 01:15:48.740
feel and then secondly the what I'm holding is not what I hit it with I

838
01:15:48.740 --> 01:15:55.140
actually hit with something outside of what I'm holding so like I'll use a

839
01:15:55.140 --> 01:15:59.260
baseball bat and I'll basically like okay with a baseball bat you would make

840
01:15:59.260 --> 01:16:03.140
the stick you're holding is what you would hit the ball with now could you

841
01:16:03.140 --> 01:16:07.660
imagine playing a game of baseball that had like a knob sitting on one part of

842
01:16:07.660 --> 01:16:12.780
the baseball bat so you know imagine that you had a block on the baseball

843
01:16:12.780 --> 01:16:17.500
bat kind of like this so in order to hit a home run you had to swing just below

844
01:16:17.500 --> 01:16:23.060
the baseball you if you hit the baseball with the bat you actually missed with

845
01:16:23.060 --> 01:16:30.100
the target and so we get the idea of basically swinging the club or swinging

846
01:16:30.100 --> 01:16:35.740
what we feel inside of the ball in order to hit the ball with the part we want

847
01:16:35.740 --> 01:16:35.780
to

848
01:16:35.780 --> 01:16:41.180
hit it with so sometimes it's more of a feel thing and sometimes it's more of a

849
01:16:41.180 --> 01:16:45.820
the club face needs to be under control so that's where I usually start with

850
01:16:45.820 --> 01:16:46.100
some

851
01:16:46.100 --> 01:16:54.420
sort of club face or low point control to help make this easier when I then

852
01:16:54.420 --> 01:17:00.380
start messing around with the path in transition okay Fred asked I have a

853
01:17:00.380 --> 01:17:05.980
orange whip wedge would it help if so how would you use it for finesse and

854
01:17:05.980 --> 01:17:12.580
distance wedges potential so that would potentially help with the wrist thing

855
01:17:12.580 --> 01:17:17.260
but I think that you you've got to get a little bit better feeling of the

856
01:17:17.260 --> 01:17:23.100
shoulders like rotating more on plane instead of to level I think you're

857
01:17:23.100 --> 01:17:30.100
coming out of that you're you're initially rotating to level as opposed to

858
01:17:30.100 --> 01:17:35.220
getting a little bit of side bend so what I would probably work on with you

859
01:17:35.220 --> 01:17:42.420
there would be a feeling of side bend without axis tilt so this is side bend

860
01:17:42.420 --> 01:17:46.540
with axis tilt happening more from the hips this is side bend without axis tilt

861
01:17:46.540 --> 01:17:51.100
help happening more from the shoulder blades and the spine and I think you'll

862
01:17:51.100 --> 01:17:57.260
need more of that shoulder blade kind of staying down as opposed to getting too

863
01:17:57.260 --> 01:18:03.980
much tilt from the pelvis then I think that will give you the incentive to not

864
01:18:03.980 --> 01:18:07.860
flip it quite as much through the ball and to maybe flip it a little bit

865
01:18:07.860 --> 01:18:08.260
earlier

866
01:18:08.260 --> 01:18:11.860
and coast a bit more on the way through

867
01:18:11.860 --> 01:18:23.540
okay and then lastly we had a follow-up video from last months if you remember

868
01:18:23.540 --> 01:18:35.980
Julia we had Julia was the forehandy cap golfer if you remember she had a

869
01:18:35.980 --> 01:18:42.060
little bit of sway off the ball and then a little bit more of kind of a

870
01:18:42.060 --> 01:18:46.140
forward lunge and then a little bit more of kind of breaking down with the

871
01:18:46.140 --> 01:18:46.340
wrist

872
01:18:46.340 --> 01:18:51.740
on the way through and so this is I guess after you know three weeks or so

873
01:18:51.740 --> 01:18:59.420
working on not swaying there in the backswing now I would say Ed if you do

874
01:18:59.420 --> 01:19:04.140
anything or if you if she has a trainer that looks like she's sitting more kind

875
01:19:04.140 --> 01:19:08.180
of in the SI joint like I'd want to have the core a little bit more active

876
01:19:08.180 --> 01:19:08.380
there

877
01:19:08.380 --> 01:19:16.460
at that point but position wise I like the the lack of lunge on the way through

878
01:19:16.460 --> 01:19:25.700
and so we'll see when she actually gives it a go and I stopped this one over

879
01:19:25.700 --> 01:19:25.980
here

880
01:19:25.980 --> 01:19:32.060
for a reason this is kind of my where I think the swing looks a whole lot

881
01:19:32.060 --> 01:19:32.840
cleaner

882
01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:37.820
because she did a much better job of staying staying through so oftentimes

883
01:19:37.820 --> 01:19:41.340
when golfers lunge with their upper body they have to slide too much with

884
01:19:41.340 --> 01:19:48.480
their lower body and then they have to brace more with that arm so you can

885
01:19:48.480 --> 01:19:55.620
see a much better bracing strategy over here using more the hip and using more

886
01:19:55.620 --> 01:20:01.300
the core not so much the left arm we're over here that left arm was bent and

887
01:20:01.300 --> 01:20:06.220
kind of pulling through that phase so I do really like the direction you're

888
01:20:06.220 --> 01:20:13.860
going if you can like I wouldn't even make her necessarily aware of using the

889
01:20:13.860 --> 01:20:19.620
core but if she has a trainer I would try to emphasize core activation in

890
01:20:19.620 --> 01:20:25.860
hip hinge mechanics because it looks like that to me is like I'm sitting in the

891
01:20:25.860 --> 01:20:31.180
ligaments of my lower back I'm not really loading my my it's like back in

892
01:20:31.180 --> 01:20:37.020
hamstring and knee not so much loading my hip and core so just something to

893
01:20:37.020 --> 01:20:58.900
consider there and then this is a different Larry oh man I see all right well

894
01:20:58.900 --> 01:21:08.080
you heard the description all right I'm glad you guys are here so let's go

895
01:21:08.080 --> 01:21:13.740
through that one more time so you remember from last month yeah a little

896
01:21:13.740 --> 01:21:18.900
bit of a sway off the ball and then a little bit of a lunge through the ball

897
01:21:18.900 --> 01:21:27.180
and you can see little kind of buckle and arm bend on the way through so now

898
01:21:27.180 --> 01:21:37.540
she's doing a little practice video or sorry practice swing so we go up here

899
01:21:37.540 --> 01:21:43.420
that there is where I'm saying you know I just I don't quite love how that

900
01:21:43.420 --> 01:21:43.660
right

901
01:21:43.660 --> 01:21:47.540
hip is loading it's a better position because she didn't sway but I think if

902
01:21:47.540 --> 01:21:52.300
you you know I know she wants to be good so I try to clean that up in the gym

903
01:21:52.300 --> 01:21:59.100
and then on the way through because she didn't lunge quite as much you'll see

904
01:21:59.100 --> 01:22:05.220
the a little better bracing pattern and some softness in the arms as they're

905
01:22:05.220 --> 01:22:08.980
getting kind of thrown out by the body

906
01:22:13.820 --> 01:22:22.600
so you kind of you can see the arm relationship there versus the arm

907
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:28.380
relationship there I like this a whole lot more so Ed looks like you're moving

908
01:22:28.380 --> 01:22:32.540
things in a good direction if you wanted to try to push it even a little bit

909
01:22:32.540 --> 01:22:37.140
better I'd I'd work on the core activation in the gym but overall the

910
01:22:37.140 --> 01:22:51.820
positions look much improved so good work now you sent in Larry and let me

911
01:22:51.820 --> 01:22:55.340
just refresh

912
01:22:55.340 --> 01:23:06.340
okay so Larry is a one handicap early in the year he had a bad case the shanks

913
01:23:06.340 --> 01:23:09.570
were able to eliminate that by keeping the trailer and bent through impact

914
01:23:09.570 --> 01:23:10.260
tends

915
01:23:10.260 --> 01:23:14.020
to get steep on the downswing and then shallows with his body by backing up and

916
01:23:14.020 --> 01:23:18.260
has a shoulder shrug we've worked on several shallowing drills and brushing

917
01:23:18.260 --> 01:23:31.540
the grass drill okay so we've already been warned about what we're gonna see

918
01:23:36.340 --> 01:23:49.460
so as we go up towards the top you can see kind of the the shift of the

919
01:23:49.460 --> 01:24:00.540
shoulders you can see the tension the tension in the neck as the shoulder blade

920
01:24:00.540 --> 01:24:06.300
gets up this is where so he's getting a little bit of the steepening happening

921
01:24:06.300 --> 01:24:17.860
from that right shoulder right in through there so this would be a fun one if

922
01:24:17.860 --> 01:24:18.020
you

923
01:24:18.020 --> 01:24:25.300
had a camera looking at it from from behind you would see the shoulder going

924
01:24:25.300 --> 01:24:32.700
into elevation and protraction before the shoulder starts going into internal

925
01:24:32.700 --> 01:24:43.820
rotation and so then from there it's actually not that bad from that steeper

926
01:24:43.820 --> 01:24:48.260
kind of transition move or power move

927
01:24:48.260 --> 01:25:01.940
so you mentioned the arm shallowing drills without the face on it be hard to

928
01:25:01.940 --> 01:25:11.460
tell exactly when it's happening but one of the options is it it looks like he

929
01:25:11.460 --> 01:25:18.620
could use a little bit more ulnar deviation as one of the shallowing

930
01:25:18.620 --> 01:25:30.380
things kind of through there and he definitely you know if you wanted to work

931
01:25:30.380 --> 01:25:35.260
on some of the body pivot that lower body especially that right knee kind of

932
01:25:35.260 --> 01:25:41.740
driving in when he plays a lot of golf he has neck issues so he was perfect

933
01:25:41.740 --> 01:25:50.060
choice for this month and so so that makes me even more concerned about that

934
01:25:50.060 --> 01:25:54.060
shoulder move because basically so that shoulder elevation is happening from

935
01:25:54.060 --> 01:25:59.300
that levator scap and upper trap but the levator scap is in a stretched

936
01:25:59.300 --> 01:26:06.580
position because of the position of the neck so that that would make sense with

937
01:26:06.580 --> 01:26:13.550
getting a little bit more like feeling a neck issue and you can see there's

938
01:26:13.550 --> 01:26:13.860
some

939
01:26:13.860 --> 01:26:19.820
more shrugging in the bracing pattern there so potentially feeling like the

940
01:26:19.820 --> 01:26:25.740
shoulders the shoulder blades a little bit more down especially that right one

941
01:26:25.740 --> 01:26:33.380
especially in transition so that would allow him to feel a little bit more

942
01:26:33.380 --> 01:26:41.780
core rotation which would take away some of the potential strain from overuse

943
01:26:41.780 --> 01:26:48.660
let's see what would that do to the lower body pivot so if I kept that more

944
01:26:48.660 --> 01:26:52.980
down he would probably have to feel like he was a little bit closer to the

945
01:26:52.980 --> 01:26:53.220
ground

946
01:26:53.220 --> 01:26:59.780
so I might start prepping that movement but the release looks decent through

947
01:26:59.780 --> 01:27:05.580
there does it have a fair amount of rehinging on in the in the follow-through

948
01:27:05.580 --> 01:27:08.020
side Ed

949
01:27:23.220 --> 01:27:30.880
yeah while we're right it while we're waiting on it I'll just let it play a

950
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:40.080
few times you can see that right there that transition move is just a little

951
01:27:40.080 --> 01:27:52.740
bit more right shoulder neck dominant so and because of the lack of unhinged

952
01:27:52.740 --> 01:27:57.940
he's getting a lot of the power from kind of snapping the club on the way

953
01:27:57.940 --> 01:28:04.380
through which also tends to support more of like a shoulder shrug type movement

954
01:28:04.380 --> 01:28:08.420
but where I would go after the shallowing would be the shoulder blade

955
01:28:08.420 --> 01:28:17.460
shallowing and then getting a little bit more owner deviation there I think

956
01:28:17.460 --> 01:28:17.580
that

957
01:28:17.580 --> 01:28:22.420
would help clean up some of the neck issues potentially assuming there's no

958
01:28:22.420 --> 01:28:27.420
you know assuming it's more of an overuse you worked on some older deviation

959
01:28:27.420 --> 01:28:30.820
good so then

960
01:28:30.820 --> 01:28:43.500
so then when you're feeling a little bit more of that shoulder blade shallowing

961
01:28:43.500 --> 01:28:48.980
that's going to keep the the arms in a little bit so I'd feel I had one

962
01:28:48.980 --> 01:28:54.700
student who coined a new phrase like a couple weeks ago that I'll film a video

963
01:28:54.700 --> 01:28:59.180
for but he felt like kind of a T-rex doing the shallowing so making sure that

964
01:28:59.180 --> 01:29:04.260
it wasn't happening at all from the from the arms but happening it you know it

965
01:29:04.260 --> 01:29:10.700
felt like his arms were in really close and he was unhinging like a T-rex would

966
01:29:10.700 --> 01:29:22.180
so typically it's just check on that so typically golfers who don't do as much

967
01:29:22.180 --> 01:29:26.180
owner deviation you'll see that the right arm starts to straighten sooner and

968
01:29:26.180 --> 01:29:26.260
the

969
01:29:26.260 --> 01:29:31.420
left arm pulls away from the chest sooner so relating that you'll either see

970
01:29:31.420 --> 01:29:40.340
this or you'll see that you'll rarely see both of them happen together so he's

971
01:29:40.340 --> 01:29:45.740
more in that that category of the arms moving away while keeping the hinge as

972
01:29:45.740 --> 01:29:51.900
opposed to the the wrist unhinging and keeping the load more in the shoulders

973
01:29:51.900 --> 01:29:59.060
so that's the direction I would go especially with the trail all right let's

974
01:29:59.060 --> 01:30:04.940
see referring to Jackson 5 can you clarify the amount of movement during a

975
01:30:04.940 --> 01:30:09.540
real swing in my mind it's small we just wanted to see you demonstrated

976
01:30:09.540 --> 01:30:15.900
again so I did I showed on those graphs that most of them were in the four-inch

977
01:30:15.900 --> 01:30:21.940
category it impacts so if this is your pelvis pelvis is roughly about a foot

978
01:30:21.940 --> 01:30:29.340
in width so somewhere between a third to half of that yeah and review the

979
01:30:29.340 --> 01:30:34.660
shoulder blade shallowing video that one that's kind of the direction I would

980
01:30:34.660 --> 01:30:44.020
go with that so roughly moving laterally from here about half of a pelvis to a

981
01:30:44.020 --> 01:30:54.060
third of the pelvis somewhere around there so it might you know what I usually

982
01:30:54.060 --> 01:30:59.620
use is the feeling of once I've gotten like like the whole purpose of that is

983
01:30:59.620 --> 01:31:07.080
to apply pressure into that foot so I'll have them do it where you don't move

984
01:31:07.080 --> 01:31:07.260
at

985
01:31:07.260 --> 01:31:10.420
all and you try to push in your foot and it's really weak and then I'll have

986
01:31:10.420 --> 01:31:16.220
them kind of bounce a little bit and we'll start to feel like how much of the

987
01:31:16.220 --> 01:31:21.220
the lateral movement of the pelvis you need to do in order to to get enough

988
01:31:21.220 --> 01:31:25.660
pressure into the foot but not so much that it goes past the foot