Mastering the 'Wipe'

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Today the primary focus is going through the the white movement.

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The goal is to go over the wipe in some detail, so I'm just going to jump right

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in.

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We've got probably about half a dozen or so 3ds that we're going to look

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through.

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And I'll go through what each of these graphs is, but this is kind of how I

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look at the wipe.

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So what we've got going on here is we're first we're going to look at some tour

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pros and then

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we'll look at some higher handicap amateurs kind of your typical golfer so that

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you can see the

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differences. So on the screen right now I've got elbow extension, which is just

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looking at the

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straightening or bending of the elbows. Hold on, I'm going to I'm going to try

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something here.

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And let me know, Lawrence will let me know if we have any issues, but this is

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hopefully going to

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allow me to demonstrate stuff. Hopefully it doesn't isn't too laggy. We'll see

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how all that turns out.

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Okay, so elbow extension, the first graph in the top left hand corner is simply

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measuring the angle

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of the elbows. So rough, you rarely say anyone actually get to 180, but 180

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would be straight,

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and as much as, you know, in this particular example, you get to about a 50 or

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so, you know,

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60 degree bend there in the middle of the downswing for the trail elbow. Okay,

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so that's elbow

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extension. Trail wrist angles, I know you guys are pretty good, so you're

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comfortable-ish with

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seeing these. The green line on the wrist graphs here is flexion extension, the

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blue line is

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pronation, supination, and the red line is radial and ulnar deviation. The next

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graph down is elbow

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separation, which is simply just looking at the space between the elbows. So

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the center of the

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elbow joint on each arm, what's the amount in inches between those two joints?

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Then we've got

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arc width, one of my favorite graphs, as you guys are used to seeing, and then

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down at the bottom,

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just in case you're curious, I don't really look at this as far as the wipe is

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concerned,

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but I've got the lead wrist angles if you wanted to compare that to what's

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happening

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with the trail wrist. So in this particular golfer, I've got it, the screen

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down here kind of

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stopped at right when the trail wrist is starting to go into ulnar deviation.

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So what you'll see here is between the top of the swing and this point here, so

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between the top

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of the swing and there, he is increasing the radial deviation. Now you'll see

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from the lead

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wrist, which is part of the reason I put that up, a fair amount earlier, he has

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started to

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ulnar deviate the lead wrist. So at this point right here, there's a little bit

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of

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a scissoring happening where the lead wrist is going into ulnar and the trail

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wrist is going into

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radial. Now the two main graphs that I look at for the individual movements of

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the wipe,

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is the elbow extension graph and the trail wrist graph. So typically the wipe

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shows up in one

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of two different ways. It's either going to be a bending of the lead elbow or a

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extension or

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radial deviation of the trail wrist. So basically working across my body this

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way. So we'll get into

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this a little bit more in the anatomy section, but the global context is the

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white movement is

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looking at applying more of a moment of force or basically a force along the

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club. So I'm basically

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pulling in the direction of the handle as opposed to using the arms and the

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wrist and kind of pivoting

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the club. We're doing more of the couple action. So that's a trademark of good

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ball strikers. It

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helps build the flat spot and control low point. It's a better way of creating

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power and speed. So

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there's a number of benefits to seeing it. In this particular example, the

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majority of this golfer's

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wipe is happening from the trail wrist. So when that, we'll see in some of

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these golfers that there

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is a kind of mid downswing rehinged, this golfer, this tour golfer just does it

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the majority of the

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downswing. The other place that you'll tend to see it is in this elbow

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separation, which can have

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to do a little bit more with the shoulders. And what you'll see is with golfers

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, you have that

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white movement, you'll see either a plateau or in this case, and actually

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widening. So this golfer,

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as he went to the top of the swing, you can see those elbows separate some. And

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then as he starts

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down, those elbows get closer together. And then right around just before this

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point in time,

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so right around here, those elbows are actually getting a little bit wider

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before they then get

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much closer together. And you'll see that the typical pattern is those elbows

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will get closer

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together all the way until the follow through position or that max arc width in

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this particular

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golfer's case, pretty close to shaft parallel to the ground. Okay, so we'll

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jump into the next

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tour pros. And there are some tour pros where I don't know if they, how they

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would feel about

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me sharing. So I've got them blocked out, but there are a handful of guys who I

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know

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personally who have no problems sharing the data. So we'll have some of those

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mixed in as well.

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All right, so here is another golfer. This is a tour pro who has

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kind of less of the pronounced white movement from the wrist. So you'll see

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there's a little bit

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of a rehing. If we jump over to the trail risk, we're looking at the red line.

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And you'll see

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right in through here, there's a little bit of a rehing kind of pulling across.

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But he has it more

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from the lead elbow. So here you can see he started with a certain amount of

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bend. And then

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as he came down, it bent or sorry, as he got to the top of the swing, it bent a

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little bit more.

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And then as he starts down, it's straightening. So he's using his tricep to

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create a little bit

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of speed along the handle. But then right here kind of mid down swing, you can

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see it start to

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dip back down. We're gonna have some guys who exaggerate that movement even

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more. But that's

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pretty much where you would start to see the arms coming across kind of like

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this. You don't see

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it nearly as much in the elbow separation graph with this particular golfer.

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But you do see

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pretty good narrowing through impact and then a very good looking arc with

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graph. This particular

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golfer was a up and coming star who had a thumb injury. And we haven't really

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heard from him in

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quite some time. But he was a pretty good ball striker along the time that this

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3D was collected.

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Okay, this one's a little bit more exciting, more interesting as far as the

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white movement

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happens. You'll see of the three graphs that kind of illustrate the wipe, he

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uses all three

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to a high level. So right at this point here, he's going to start bend-packed

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when it starts

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straightening to get that massive narrowing or closing through impact. The sup

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ination graph

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covers up a little bit. But at the same point, you can see that midway through

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the downswing,

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that red line is going to have a pretty significant little drop-off movement.

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That would also be

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the white movement. So he's doing it both from the lead elbow as well as the

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trail wrist,

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pulling more around the body instead of or pulling along the handle of the club

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around the body as

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opposed to pivoting the club with the hands. And a pretty solid looking arc

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with graph,

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a little bit more of a cast early. You can see possibly by the straightening of

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that lead arm.

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But then pretty good, reasonable little peek there, pretty good plateau through

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impact.

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Okay, I believe. Yeah, so we got one more anonymous pro and then we've got a

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couple who,

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that way you'll be able to look at the graphs. You can take a look at some

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swings on YouTube

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and kind of compare what you're seeing here with what I'm describing. So this

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golfer has a little

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bit of both, but more from that trail wrist, trail arm. So this is the point in

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time where he's

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really engaging that wipe. It's kind of the transition from the end of

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transition to the

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early part of a release. And it's a sign that he's using more of his core,

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which we'll talk about

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when we get into the anatomy. So he doesn't have the lead elbow more plateaus.

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It doesn't really

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continue straightening, but you can see that there's a change right here in

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that green line.

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And then over here, you see the primary wipe happening more from that trail

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wrist. And now

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you can see that for the next phase, so basically from where he is right there,

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until probably about

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even with his thigh, when his hands are even with his thigh and the shaft is

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about 45,

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that's pretty close to where that peak would be, or the bottom of his radial

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deviation.

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At about that same time, you can see the left wrist is only deviating the whole

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time. Again,

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there's this scissoring action that tends to happen through this early part of

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the release in the

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wipe zone. And you'll see here the elbow separation. He has that where the arms

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start to actually get

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wider through impact. So that's kind of the lead arm whip concept that I talk

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about in some videos

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is based around this graph here of getting a little bit wider and then getting

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much narrower.

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Excellent 3D graph, very consistent ball striker, pretty efficient as far as

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power goes. It's got a

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great way. Okay, the next two, you'll be able to research. So Steve Alkington,

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you know, has given

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permission for using his. You know, he's got more of kind of that classic swing

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er, doesn't really

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look like he's using his body quite as much, looks like it's more shoulder

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driven, kind of,

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you know, more rhythm driven. And you'll see that he has more of the wipe

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happening from the wrist.

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The wrist ones tend to look a little bit more subtle. The guys who really do it

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from the lead

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elbow, that's where it really looks like you're kind of pulling across the body

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and working it

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towards the target. So he did have more of a bending early on, but then it's

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pretty much just a

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strict straightening of that lead arm. But the trail wrist, you can see there's

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a pretty good

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little rehinge from this point here, it's going to increase all the way until

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about

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shaft 45. So he ends even with the thigh. At that same time, that's where we're

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seeing

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a little bit of this plateau or a little bit of there's a slight upslope to

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that. So the elbows

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are getting just slightly wider before they extend. We'll see that that's you

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rarely see this

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pattern with higher handicap golfers. Last one, Grant Weight has given

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permission to use his swing as well. So you're welcome to investigate. This was

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kind of taken somewhere 2012, I believe. So not his premier ball striking, but

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still very good.

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And you'll see he's also primarily with that trail wrist. So this trail wrist

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movement of

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rehinging mid downswing is, I'm sorry, I didn't freeze it at the transition

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point here, but

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this point here of rehinging mid downswing is one of the common patterns that

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you'll see

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among the tour release. So getting a little update. So you can't see the cursor

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when I'm

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pointing I'll have to figure out how to work through that because yeah, just

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jumped over and I don't see

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the cursor on your screen either. That's a bummer. So hopefully you can, I'll

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try to do a better job

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of describing where I'm looking until I can figure that out for next time. But

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with the trail wrist

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graph, you can see that there's that second peak mid downswing where

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right around the middle of that, between the top and impact, you'll see that

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the red line starts

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going down. That going down is the rehinging movement. On the elbow extension

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graph, when it's

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going down, that's a sign that they're bending. So grant weight here has just

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slightly bending the,

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if you look at the green line from the top of the swing, you'll see that it's

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slightly bending

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and then it straightens. And then he actually is one of the few, there's a

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handful, but he's

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one of the few who has a bending of that lead arm through impact. So that's

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where I don't think

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this was quite as good as when he was actually a ball striker on tour. And you

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'll see that as a

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result, his arc with graph is not quite as consistent as some of the others

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that we've seen. This was

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more when he was coaching a lot, not necessarily playing. But you'll see he's

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still got the white

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movement in the wrist and he's still got kind of that plateau of the elbow

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separation mid downswing.

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So he's got some of the pattern. You can kind of investigate this and look at

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some of his

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swings from around 2012 on YouTube and kind of see how these graphs might look.

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Okay, now we got a

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couple amateurs and this is where we are going to see a pretty dramatic

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difference in all of these

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graphs. So this golfer here, he was a little bit more overweight, probably

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about a 25 handicap

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struggled with pulls and slices, kind of big over the top move. You can see

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where I have it

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paused down here, like you can tell that there was a pretty big cast and he's

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going to have a

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pretty big chicken wing on the way through. So where that shows up, if we look

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at the elbow

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flexion in the top left, you can see that he's basically straightening both his

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arms and then

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right when he gets to impact, they both start bending. That's a very classic

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chicken wing pattern.

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With the trail wrist, you'll see that there's no real rehinging. It's just once

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he gets to this

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point, he's about to just unhinge. So that's going to look like it's more

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behind his body. It's

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going to look like it's more of kind of a cast pattern kind of going straight

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down into the golf

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ball. None of that nice little lag or delay look to it. And then as a result,

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if you look at the two

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in the middle, the elbow separation and the arc width, that's kind of those two

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give me a lot of

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info as it relates to the the flat spot idea. You can see he's basically

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straightening his arms

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the entire downswing until just before impact, the line starts going up. He's

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basically bending

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and getting those arms wider through impact. So that relates to how much the

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club passes the body.

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That'll cause the space between the elbows to get wider as well as to how much

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they're straightening

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and what's happening at the shoulder drill. And we can see with the arc width

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to the right of it,

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you'll see that's the classic amateur arc width pattern where right at impact

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is the

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widest point and then it starts bending right away. And you can see if you were

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to jump down to the

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lead wrist angles that he doesn't have a lot of the motorcycle movement or flex

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ion. That was

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one of the things that he'll do that we ended up working on that seemed to have

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some of the

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bigger impact in his ball striking. All right. And then this last one, this is

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more of a single

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digit golfer. So decent, you know, probably a eight to 10 handicap or somewhere

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in that zone.

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But kind of a short hitter battles more of a little bit of a fade. And you'll

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see we might be

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trying to initiate the wipe, but nothing going on from that trail arm that

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trail arm is from the

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position he's in here at impact. He's getting ready to basically throw it and

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we'll kind of see why

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when we look at some of the arm anatomy. Then if you look at the two in the

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middle, the elbow

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separation and the arc width, you can see more of the classic patterns of

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basically the arms

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getting closer together until impact and then widening or in his case kind of

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staying the same,

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but not narrowing the way we saw with the majority of those pros. And then the

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arc width pattern is

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okay. It's not, it's not awful, but it's definitely not elite. It does peak

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after impact. It's a

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little bit more of a rounding or rounded mound to it. It's not incredibly sharp

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. So he's, you know,

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he's kind of consistent in his low 80s golf or sometimes occasionally high 70s,

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but he's,

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you know, he's not maximizing his energy potential. He's definitely not hitting

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as many greens as he

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should because of the lack of the wipe and its core, its relationship to low

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point control.

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And you'll see he's got a decent motorcycle pattern. So even though he was

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doing pretty good

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with the lead wrist, over here with the trail wrist, you can see very little of

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that downswing

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loading, that very little of that white movement. So it shows up as more of a

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cast pattern even

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though he does okay with the lead wrist. So let me flip back over to the chat

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screen,

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see what's going on. Can we get a copy of the 3D graphs so we can copy and

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study them from a

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hard copy the next time? Yeah, yeah, I can, I can do a PDF of the PowerPoint

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pretty easily and

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I think we can email it through the distribution and I will try and set it up

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so that next time

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we're using a little different software as you can tell. Hopefully it's the,

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this little cutting

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between screens is much more fluid than last time where I got cut in that

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minimizing tunnel.

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But I'll see what I can do about making it so that the mouse pointer is viewed.

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That's the advantage

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of having a month between these. I'll be able to figure some stuff out and

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improve on it.

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Okay, if you have any questions on those 3D graphs before I go into the anatomy

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, post them now

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and that way I can, I can quickly kind of jump back and forth and just go into

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those graphs.

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But I can definitely send you those, those 3D graphs if you want to take a look

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at them.

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Yeah, it's, without knowing the names, it's a little tricky but at least having

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those last couple,

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I think it'll be really helpful. All right, looks like no major questions. So

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now let me go back to the

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PowerPoint. Okay, so why is this wipe movement so important? So I had a

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question

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sent in about like how do we apply some of this forces in motion or you know

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the moment of force

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versus the torque? And that's kind of the white movement is whenever someone

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asks what the white

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movement is, it's a, to me it's a sign that they are doing more of applying

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force through the moment

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of force as opposed to the couple. Which I'll quickly go over that. I've got a

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video on that

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particular topic. But basically to get this club to swing around in space,

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there's two ways that

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I could do it. One is I could apply a kind of a linear force. So pulling just

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slightly off the

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direction of the handle kind of pulling like this. And that would cause the

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center of mass,

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which is way out here, to want to line up with the direction that I'm pulling.

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So if I'm pulling

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that way, this thing over here is going to want to arc until it's in line with

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that force and then

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follow it. So it would kind of come up like so. As opposed to the other option

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is I could just

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keep this here and like use one hand pulling this way and the other hand

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pushing that way

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to throw the club head further down. The main difference between those two is

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what's going to

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happen with the hand path and a sport like golf where geometry is pretty

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important. We are going

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to like the hand path is really critical for the shape of the bottom of the

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swing, not just for

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creating speed. So one simple way to look at the forces is you want to be

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applying that moment of

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force because that moment of force is coming more from what the body is doing.

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And applying that

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moment of force basically means that I'm pulling along the direction of the

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club. So at the top of

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the swing, I'm pulling force that way or if I have a long swing, I'm actually

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pulling up that way.

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And then I'm pulling down there. So at this point, I'm pulling pretty vertical.

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But when I get to this

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point, I'm now pulling in the direction of the handle, which is more towards

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the target like this.

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As opposed to if I was pulling down and then right around here, I went into

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more couple mode.

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Now, I'm no longer pulling in the direction of the target. I'm just twisting

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with my hands and

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kind of throwing the club head down at the ground. So in order to get this

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pulling along or tangent

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to the club, I'm basically going to use some of my core muscles with some of my

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shoulder muscles

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to rotate my body while holding my hands out in front of it, kind of like so.

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Now, as you can see,

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that creates a little bit of a challenge as far as squaring the face. I'd have

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to use the motorcycle

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in order to use the white. So if I have no comfort or confidence in being able

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to square it up that way, then I'm going to tend to use more couple and kind of

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throw it down like

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that. Or the other one is if I don't have any, if I, this doesn't feel powerful

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, and this feels a

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little bit more powerful kind of using the hands like this, then I'll tend to

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get more of that low

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point going low to high. So the lack of white could be a sign that they're

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trying to use this

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lunge and couple in order to get the low point in the right spot and hit it

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solid, or that they're

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trying to square the face that way. But the white is, you know, simply put a

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look of a sign that

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they're using more of their body to create the speed and less of their arms

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enhance. So we're

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going to start with a couple slides from anatomy trains. So instead of thinking

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of muscles as like

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these, you know, isolated segments, the more in vogue pattern is to look at

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them as chains. Now,

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there's a book called Anatomy Trains that outlines these, some of these

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different connections.

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For my understanding, talking with people who've done more dissections, like it

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might be overly

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simplified, but these muscles do seem to work pretty well together. So it's not

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a bad kind of

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entry level understanding. So the one that I have up right there is the back

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view of the spiral line.

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We'll come back to that, but it's basically this line wrapping around your body

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. And then these two

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are the functional lines. And we're kind of using a hybrid of some of the this

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spiral line and some

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of this functional line to help create the rotational power within the body. So

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we're going to

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take a quick little segue into discussing the shoulder anatomy. And then we're

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going to come back

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to how it relates to the core. And then we're going to tie it back to what we

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did with the white.

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And that's the main kind of theory portion of today's presentation.

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Okay, so when I say looking at the shoulder, the shoulder is a girdle.

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Depending on where you look, they will say that the shoulder, each side

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consists of four or five

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joints. I typically believe it operates more like five joints, but some places

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will say only four.

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So the five joints for the shoulder would basically be the glenohumeral joint,

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which is the arm and

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where it connects to the shoulder blade. Then you have your number two is the

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subdeltoidian. So

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basically underneath this little bone called your acromium, there's some space.

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And we'll see some

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a slide that kind of shows that space. That space is where the supersprinatus

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connects from the

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shoulder blade to the arm. It's an important space because it can get impinged

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and create a

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lot of pain. So it's kind of a false joint in the sense that it doesn't have a

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capsule binding.

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It's more of just the space between two two bones. Some people argue against

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that because

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or against that being a true joint because there's no capsule. But one of the

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most important pieces

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of the shoulder is number three there. And number three there is the space

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between

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the shoulder blade and the ribcage. And if you are going to say that that's not

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a joint,

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then or if you're going to say that that is an important joint, then I think

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you have to include

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the number two, the subdeltoidian. And then number four is the ac joint, which

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is where the shoulder

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blade and the clavicle meet. And then number five is where the clavicle meets

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the spine. So your

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shoulders, the only bony attachment is actually at the front here. This is

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where all the bones on

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the back are kind of free floating. So this is the actual attachment. And it's

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called the

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it's got a couple different names. But the one that I go off of is the sterno,

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the SCC, which is

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sternocasto, or sternocondro, costoclavicular joint. Because that name just

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tells you all the

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different places it attaches. Here's another kind of simplified way of looking

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at the the four main

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ones. So again, in this book, they were going more off of you got your SC joint

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, your AC joint,

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which are the two ends of the clavicle. Then you've got the glenohumeral joint,

495
00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:00.240
which the one that

496
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.710
most people think of as the shoulder, the part where it kind of rotates around.

497
00:29:03.710 --> 00:29:05.760
But then you've

498
00:29:05.760 --> 00:29:12.210
got the shoulder blade and its relationship to the ribs. The shoulder blade is

499
00:29:12.210 --> 00:29:13.520
the most important

500
00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:20.640
part of the shoulder. If you looked at the shoulder acting like a wheel, the

501
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:21.600
shoulder blade is the

502
00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:28.310
center of the wheel, not the shoulder. So most shoulder problems are cleaned up

503
00:29:28.310 --> 00:29:29.280
by improving the

504
00:29:29.280 --> 00:29:35.710
function at the SC joint here, or the shoulder blade, not by doing shoulder

505
00:29:35.710 --> 00:29:39.680
work. Okay, we're

506
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:45.730
going to come into some of these key muscles. This is again a little bit more

507
00:29:45.730 --> 00:29:47.120
theory than some of

508
00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:51.200
you might be used to, but it's helpful for being able to start to kind of see

509
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.240
how force is moving

510
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.770
through the body. And by seeing this stuff, it'll help you become better at

511
00:29:56.770 --> 00:29:58.320
troubleshooting golfers

512
00:29:58.320 --> 00:30:03.900
who might be stuck. So my goal isn't necessarily that you master your anatomy,

513
00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:04.960
but I do think it's

514
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:10.540
very helpful if you're getting into the actual science. I'll talk more about

515
00:30:10.540 --> 00:30:11.600
this when we discuss

516
00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:17.310
some of the alpha war stuff. But this slide here just gives you a rough outline

517
00:30:17.310 --> 00:30:18.480
of the key shoulder

518
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.550
muscles. So you've got two different layers. You've got your deep muscles like

519
00:30:22.550 --> 00:30:23.600
the rotator cuff,

520
00:30:23.600 --> 00:30:30.410
and their main job is to keep the shoulder in the center of the joint. And then

521
00:30:30.410 --> 00:30:31.520
you've got the big

522
00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:34.990
outside muscles like your pec, your deltoid, your lat, your triceps, your b

523
00:30:34.990 --> 00:30:37.760
iceps, your traps.

524
00:30:37.760 --> 00:30:41.980
Those are all designed to move the muscles while the shoulder, the rotator cuff

525
00:30:41.980 --> 00:30:43.440
keeps them in the

526
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:51.230
proper alignment. So here are your key, some of your key rotator cuff muscles.

527
00:30:51.230 --> 00:30:53.120
So you've got your

528
00:30:53.120 --> 00:30:58.420
subscapularis on the top right. We'll have to figure out this mouse thing

529
00:30:58.420 --> 00:30:59.600
because I'm just

530
00:30:59.600 --> 00:31:03.810
pointing and I keep realizing that you can't see this, but you've got the subsc

531
00:31:03.810 --> 00:31:04.640
apularis, which is on

532
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:10.610
the inside of the shoulder blade. So basically wrapping from inside here onto

533
00:31:10.610 --> 00:31:11.920
the attachment on

534
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:16.750
the arm. Then you've got the super sprenatus, which I've talked about, kind of

535
00:31:16.750 --> 00:31:18.160
acts like a pulley

536
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:23.350
underneath this bone. So it goes through right here. And then you've got your

537
00:31:23.350 --> 00:31:25.840
infrasprenatus and

538
00:31:25.840 --> 00:31:32.120
Terry's major, Terry's minor. They are more on the backside. And together they

539
00:31:32.120 --> 00:31:32.960
form kind of like

540
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:38.240
an attachment almost around the shoulder, kind of like this. And I couldn't

541
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:39.520
find it, but I remember

542
00:31:39.520 --> 00:31:45.100
a book that I read many, many years ago showed that the orientation of those

543
00:31:45.100 --> 00:31:47.200
four, or sorry, the

544
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:53.360
five rotator cuff muscles have a similar orientation to the attachments in your

545
00:31:53.360 --> 00:31:54.400
eyes or the muscles

546
00:31:54.400 --> 00:32:01.360
of your eyes. And those rotator cuff muscles have really high motor unit

547
00:32:01.360 --> 00:32:03.600
density. So basically,

548
00:32:03.600 --> 00:32:08.620
they're very feel oriented. So a lot of what golfers feel in their shoulders

549
00:32:08.620 --> 00:32:10.000
can be traced to what's

550
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.720
going on here with the rotator cuff. But one of the most important pieces,

551
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:15.840
especially as it relates

552
00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:22.720
to this white, is looking at the serratus anterior. So here's a picture that

553
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.280
shows it's this fan that

554
00:32:25.280 --> 00:32:29.040
goes from the inside of the shoulder blade onto the rib cage. And it's

555
00:32:29.040 --> 00:32:30.640
basically responsible for

556
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:36.580
doing that movement there. But the end push and kind of getting that shoulder

557
00:32:36.580 --> 00:32:38.400
blade to slide along

558
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.590
the rib cage, kind of like this. And you usually test the three different parts

559
00:32:42.590 --> 00:32:44.240
. So to test it,

560
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:52.560
you would make a fist. You would make a fist and have your golfer push into

561
00:32:52.560 --> 00:32:53.520
your arm. And if they

562
00:32:53.520 --> 00:32:58.050
have, I'll see if I can kind of fake it now. So if they have a problem, they

563
00:32:58.050 --> 00:32:58.880
will get the shoulder

564
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:03.460
blade to stick out, as opposed to if it's pretty healthy, then when they go to

565
00:33:03.460 --> 00:33:03.840
push,

566
00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:08.000
the shoulder blade will stay flush along the rib cage and slide. Basically,

567
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:08.560
what's happening,

568
00:33:08.560 --> 00:33:14.140
and this is a really critical visual observation that can help you understand

569
00:33:14.140 --> 00:33:14.960
what your golfers

570
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.490
are doing, is if the shoulder blade is sitting on the back like this, it could

571
00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:21.360
either slide around

572
00:33:21.360 --> 00:33:26.770
the rib cage, or it could pivot. So it could go like this, or it could go like

573
00:33:26.770 --> 00:33:28.000
that. The white

574
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:33.880
movement is going more like this, going in that sliding motion, where the pivot

575
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.040
motion will tend

576
00:33:35.040 --> 00:33:39.970
to throw everything into more of the couple pattern throw everything into more

577
00:33:39.970 --> 00:33:40.800
of the internal

578
00:33:40.800 --> 00:33:47.280
rotation of the shoulder. So oftentimes, what golfers are seeing as far as bad

579
00:33:47.280 --> 00:33:48.160
arm movements

580
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:54.000
are happening because the shoulder or the scapula, the shoulder blade pivoted

581
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:54.800
instead of slid.

582
00:33:54.800 --> 00:34:01.280
So what we'll see, here's just, I like this for the middle picture there, where

583
00:34:01.280 --> 00:34:02.720
it shows the overhead.

584
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:08.910
You can imagine that muscle kind of sliding it around the barrel, sliding it

585
00:34:08.910 --> 00:34:10.560
around the rib cage.

586
00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:14.800
And the top picture is like if you see kids doing push-ups in your junior camps

587
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:14.800
,

588
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:18.940
and you see some of the really big shoulder blade winging, it's a good chance

589
00:34:18.940 --> 00:34:20.800
that they've got a

590
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.720
weakness in this serratus anterior, or inhibition in the serratus anterior,

591
00:34:24.720 --> 00:34:25.440
that can come from a

592
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:33.200
variety of different causes. So this slide, I thought, is pretty good at

593
00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:35.200
helping you visualize

594
00:34:36.080 --> 00:34:41.430
the different movements. There's kind of, if you look at like the lateral third

595
00:34:41.430 --> 00:34:42.320
of the shoulder

596
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:46.960
blade, so it kind of sits like this, somewhere right around here is the actual

597
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:47.680
center of the

598
00:34:47.680 --> 00:34:51.150
movement of the shoulder. It's not truly in the middle of the bone. It's kind

599
00:34:51.150 --> 00:34:52.800
of out, just

600
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:59.510
underneath here. But that's the piece that will then slide instead of pivot. So

601
00:34:59.510 --> 00:35:01.600
if you can train

602
00:35:01.600 --> 00:35:06.160
your eye to see that, you'll get a really good idea of what's going on with the

603
00:35:06.160 --> 00:35:07.040
shoulder.

604
00:35:07.040 --> 00:35:17.370
So I'm going to, this just kind of goes over those rotator cuff attachments.

605
00:35:17.370 --> 00:35:19.360
But let's move on

606
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:24.500
from that. So the purpose of these attachments, again, the shoulder joint is

607
00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:27.120
not like a true circle,

608
00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:32.090
it actually is like pear shape. So the rotator cuff helps keep the head of the

609
00:35:32.090 --> 00:35:33.920
shoulder in the

610
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:38.450
contact point in that pear where it needs to be. So it has a little bit of a

611
00:35:38.450 --> 00:35:39.680
sliding and gliding

612
00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:45.530
movement so that it can stay in the center of joint and transmit the force

613
00:35:45.530 --> 00:35:47.520
evenly. If it starts

614
00:35:47.520 --> 00:35:51.440
to get more towards the outside edge of the joint and it doesn't slide or move,

615
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:52.320
then typically you're

616
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.740
going to have some wear down of the capsule. Okay, so now we get into the big

617
00:35:57.740 --> 00:35:59.360
movers. So we've got

618
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:05.200
the pec and you can see in the bottom left there, this golfer or sorry, that

619
00:36:05.200 --> 00:36:07.760
student there is

620
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.930
basically demonstrating the pec movement where it brings the arm across and it

621
00:36:11.930 --> 00:36:12.880
rotates it in.

622
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:17.840
Now what you would also see is that typically would cause more of that pivoting

623
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:18.320
of the shoulder

624
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:23.710
blade. So going more like this, this is one of the big movements that a lot of

625
00:36:23.710 --> 00:36:24.720
golfers are making

626
00:36:24.720 --> 00:36:28.940
when they are powering it more with the arm. Now the one thing I don't really

627
00:36:28.940 --> 00:36:30.320
like about this slide

628
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:35.710
is if you look at the picture of the pec, it makes it look like it stops at the

629
00:36:35.710 --> 00:36:36.400
ribcage.

630
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:44.100
But the pec fibers actually have attachments where the fascia goes all the way

631
00:36:44.100 --> 00:36:45.200
down from the pec

632
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:52.240
to the pelvis. So oftentimes when you seek golfers going like this with their

633
00:36:52.240 --> 00:36:52.640
arm,

634
00:36:52.640 --> 00:36:57.170
right, going into internal rotation with that trail arm, you will see the stall

635
00:36:57.170 --> 00:36:57.920
pattern because

636
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:03.310
the pelvis down here, in order to create a fixed point and attachment for the

637
00:37:03.310 --> 00:37:05.120
pec to go like that,

638
00:37:05.120 --> 00:37:08.720
it doesn't do well if that was moving away. Basically, I can't create as much

639
00:37:08.720 --> 00:37:10.320
power going

640
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:16.220
like this if the pelvis was continuing to move away. But I could create a lot

641
00:37:16.220 --> 00:37:17.760
of power using

642
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.480
the shoulder blade more around and using the oblique in a rotational fashion.

643
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:23.200
Again, that

644
00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:30.000
reveals more of that moment of force, less of the couple. So the pec is going

645
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.360
to throw it this way.

646
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:36.400
The lat, which is one of the other really big muscles of the shoulder,

647
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:41.980
does internal rotation, but it doesn't extension. So the the pec does internal

648
00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:43.280
rotation coupled

649
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.810
with flexion and adduction. So bringing it in front and across, the lat brings

650
00:37:47.810 --> 00:37:49.440
it more backward.

651
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:54.370
So what you'll see is golfers, you tend to use those two movements in synergy.

652
00:37:54.370 --> 00:37:55.440
The elbow goes

653
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:02.170
back and the arm goes in front. So you tend to see more of that movement there

654
00:38:02.170 --> 00:38:03.040
when those two

655
00:38:03.600 --> 00:38:08.480
muscles with my pec and my lat are working really hard together. The shoulder

656
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:09.120
blade will start

657
00:38:09.120 --> 00:38:13.310
pivoting away or pivoting instead of sliding and everything will start rotating

658
00:38:13.310 --> 00:38:14.000
that way.

659
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:20.050
So when I typically am talking about golfers who use their arm muscles too much

660
00:38:20.050 --> 00:38:20.640
, it's usually

661
00:38:20.640 --> 00:38:25.280
those two muscles, the pec and the lat that are getting active way too early in

662
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.040
transition.

663
00:38:27.040 --> 00:38:32.800
And the hard thing about the pec is it will be a little bit weaker if you don't

664
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:34.720
rotate it in,

665
00:38:34.720 --> 00:38:40.300
but for golf, it will be more functional in terms of creating the flat spot and

666
00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:40.640
creating

667
00:38:40.640 --> 00:38:48.010
the low point control. So here you'll see those three combinations. The lateral

668
00:38:48.010 --> 00:38:49.440
rotation here

669
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:54.880
where the shoulder blade moves down and back, sorry, in the middle picture, and

670
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:55.520
I'll stop saying

671
00:38:55.520 --> 00:39:01.100
here and pretending you can see the mouse eventually, eventually. In the middle

672
00:39:01.100 --> 00:39:01.280
picture,

673
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:06.450
you can see lateral rotation is the same thing as external rotation. So you'll

674
00:39:06.450 --> 00:39:07.840
see that the shoulder

675
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:13.420
blade kind of works down as the shoulder rotates out. But then in the bottom

676
00:39:13.420 --> 00:39:13.920
picture,

677
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:20.280
you'll see the shoulder rotating in as it comes across. So the trick here is it

678
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:21.280
's going to go

679
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:26.860
this way first, and then it's more of just a gentle adduction. It's not an ad

680
00:39:26.860 --> 00:39:27.440
duction like

681
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:33.020
I'm trying to create as much force as I possibly can. The force is coming more

682
00:39:33.020 --> 00:39:34.000
from the body,

683
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:41.120
the hips, the legs, and the trunk less from the shoulder. So if you're falling

684
00:39:41.120 --> 00:39:41.840
into a pattern as

685
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:46.230
a golfer where you're creating more of the force from the shoulder, it's going

686
00:39:46.230 --> 00:39:47.280
to feel weak when

687
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.440
you do the white movement correctly. That's one of the big barriers to the

688
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:52.400
white movement. There's

689
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.550
the two big barriers to the white movement are the positions. So figuring out

690
00:39:56.550 --> 00:39:57.440
how to control

691
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:03.020
the face and low point from a better relationship with the shoulder and the

692
00:40:03.020 --> 00:40:04.640
timing. The timing will

693
00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:09.400
typically, you're hitting the ball earlier in the arc. I'll talk about that in

694
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:10.080
a little bit,

695
00:40:10.080 --> 00:40:14.960
and you're extending the arms much later. You usually have to work through both

696
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:15.840
of those timings

697
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:21.420
in order for golfers to feel more comfortable. This one I included, so you can

698
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:22.720
see the shape of the

699
00:40:22.720 --> 00:40:26.430
the glenohumeral joint. So the shoulder joint, you can see it's typically

700
00:40:26.430 --> 00:40:27.600
referred to as more

701
00:40:27.600 --> 00:40:36.010
pear shape. So there's a little bit of like a gliding down to get into the meat

702
00:40:36.010 --> 00:40:36.800
y part of the

703
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:44.160
pear when it goes to rotate. So when it's coming, when the arm is going down,

704
00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:45.280
it's typically sliding

705
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:52.010
up as it's rotating in. Basically, the key takeaway there is the shoulder blade

706
00:40:52.010 --> 00:40:53.520
controls where the

707
00:40:53.520 --> 00:40:57.780
shoulder joint is. So you need to have your shoulder blade working in the good

708
00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:58.320
pattern,

709
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:04.620
not just internal, external. They work together. Okay, so here was another

710
00:41:04.620 --> 00:41:06.160
slide talking about the

711
00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:10.230
four. We already went over the rotator cuff. I was debating about how detailed

712
00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:11.040
to get. All right,

713
00:41:11.680 --> 00:41:16.210
let's jump back to this idea of the spiral line. So now if we jump back to the

714
00:41:16.210 --> 00:41:16.960
spiral line, you can

715
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.490
see on the big picture on the left that there's this muscle that wraps around

716
00:41:21.490 --> 00:41:22.720
the rib cage. That's

717
00:41:22.720 --> 00:41:27.480
that serious anterior. And then the fibers go pretty much in the same direction

718
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:28.400
as your external

719
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:35.530
oblique, which goes from the ribs down to the opposite side of the pelvis. We

720
00:41:35.530 --> 00:41:39.200
'll jump to this

721
00:41:39.200 --> 00:41:45.110
frame here. So over on the left, you can see kind of a rough highlight of that

722
00:41:45.110 --> 00:41:46.160
pattern that a lot

723
00:41:46.160 --> 00:41:50.880
of a lot of kind of fitness books, medical books, talk about these

724
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.880
relationships of these muscles

725
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:56.160
together, and they call up some different things. So the spiral line is the

726
00:41:56.160 --> 00:41:57.360
anatomy train's

727
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:02.190
anterior oblique sling. I believe Paul Czech uses that phrase. Not sure where

728
00:42:02.190 --> 00:42:03.040
he got it, but

729
00:42:05.040 --> 00:42:14.000
here you can see that serratus anterior connecting. So if you look at where the

730
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:15.200
fan connects on the

731
00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:19.890
ribs, you can see that it kind of connects right around here. So now if I go

732
00:42:19.890 --> 00:42:21.680
forward to the next one,

733
00:42:21.680 --> 00:42:25.440
which is the external oblique, you can see that those attachments are pretty

734
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.320
much right where

735
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:33.120
that serratus anterior would have stopped. So those two create tension and have

736
00:42:33.120 --> 00:42:35.040
a, if not a

737
00:42:35.040 --> 00:42:41.220
direct fiber relationship, they're going in the same line. And so they create

738
00:42:41.220 --> 00:42:42.720
the movement on the

739
00:42:42.720 --> 00:42:46.990
bottom left. You can see that picture of coming up up and across. That's

740
00:42:46.990 --> 00:42:48.800
positive torsion. That's

741
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:54.380
basically the the abs coming forward as well as rotating. And so some of the

742
00:42:54.380 --> 00:42:55.680
videos where I talk

743
00:42:55.680 --> 00:42:59.650
about using the core properly, that's using more of this external oblique

744
00:42:59.650 --> 00:43:00.400
pattern.

745
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:07.600
So here it is again, you can see from the backside that muscle going from the

746
00:43:07.600 --> 00:43:08.880
inside of the shoulder

747
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:14.880
blade around down into the pelvis and then going down the leg into the foot.

748
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:23.310
This one in the bottom right, you can see kind of the relationship and how

749
00:43:23.310 --> 00:43:25.360
those obliques cross

750
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.800
onto the inner thigh of the opposite leg. So when I have drills like the adduct

751
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.240
or frisbee squeeze,

752
00:43:32.240 --> 00:43:36.770
that's to help stabilize that left leg so that the upper body can get pulled

753
00:43:36.770 --> 00:43:38.000
into it. Basically,

754
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:45.840
the, to make this as strong as possible, this inner thigh is coming towards

755
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:46.880
this rib as this

756
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:51.410
rib comes towards it. Or what happens in the golf swing is this gets stabilized

757
00:43:51.410 --> 00:43:53.040
there as this

758
00:43:53.040 --> 00:43:58.050
comes across. So these two are getting pulled together. If I do that, that's

759
00:43:58.050 --> 00:43:59.840
part of what's going to

760
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:05.570
create this separation in my arms from there to there, as those arms are

761
00:44:05.570 --> 00:44:07.920
pulling more, getting

762
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:14.680
the left arm getting pulled more across by this lat. So if I jump back up to

763
00:44:14.680 --> 00:44:17.200
this here, now you

764
00:44:17.200 --> 00:44:21.730
can see that you have these two lines kind of working together. You have from

765
00:44:21.730 --> 00:44:22.800
your ribcage going

766
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.330
down and across going this way. And then from this side, you have the left

767
00:44:27.330 --> 00:44:28.240
shoulder coming down

768
00:44:28.240 --> 00:44:35.760
and across to this hip. So as this hip pushes, as this hip pushes and rotates,

769
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:36.720
this arm pulls,

770
00:44:36.720 --> 00:44:42.880
that connects those two. And then as this side pushes, this side pulls. So you

771
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:44.720
get this rotation

772
00:44:44.720 --> 00:44:48.650
of the front side of the body, coupled with the extension rotation of the back

773
00:44:48.650 --> 00:44:49.920
side of the body,

774
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.830
that's what produces this look here. If my arms stay in front as I do that,

775
00:44:54.830 --> 00:44:56.480
that's going to tend to

776
00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:02.660
pull the arms more across my body instead of going out just like so. So the the

777
00:45:02.660 --> 00:45:05.040
white movement is

778
00:45:05.040 --> 00:45:11.200
just a sign of using the whole body along these slings and rotational patterns.

779
00:45:11.200 --> 00:45:18.560
And it's a good sign of applying force through the body in a more economical

780
00:45:18.560 --> 00:45:19.680
way than just using

781
00:45:19.680 --> 00:45:23.350
the arms, especially when you factor in the longer clubs and your goal of

782
00:45:23.350 --> 00:45:24.640
creating that flat spot.

783
00:45:24.640 --> 00:45:30.690
This slide here is taken actually from a French anatomy book. And it's just

784
00:45:30.690 --> 00:45:31.440
showing

785
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:37.020
there are the obliques are one of the few muscles that actually have an

786
00:45:37.020 --> 00:45:37.920
attachment that crosses

787
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:41.680
the midline of the body, which is what makes them such an efficient rotator.

788
00:45:41.680 --> 00:45:43.120
Because most

789
00:45:43.120 --> 00:45:49.440
muscles work more vertically and don't actually cross to the opposite side.

790
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:59.520
Okay, I'm going to jump back over, take a look at the chat. And let's see

791
00:45:59.520 --> 00:46:09.850
if there's anything ideally looking at the 3D with a simultaneous swing. The

792
00:46:09.850 --> 00:46:10.800
hard thing there is

793
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:17.600
I can't block out the name, so I'd have to pre-record and kind of go back and

794
00:46:17.600 --> 00:46:18.400
forth with it,

795
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:21.920
but I would be able to possibly do that for some of them.

796
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:31.440
So for the supplying exercises, so here's the, as far as the exercises go,

797
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:37.490
I think that working with the body is a lot more complex than working with the

798
00:46:37.490 --> 00:46:38.720
golf swing.

799
00:46:38.720 --> 00:46:46.170
I think the golf swing is fairly simple in terms of like, in the absence of

800
00:46:46.170 --> 00:46:46.640
pain,

801
00:46:46.640 --> 00:46:50.720
you know what you need the club to do, and then there are different ways to get

802
00:46:50.720 --> 00:46:51.680
the body to do it.

803
00:46:51.680 --> 00:46:58.410
When it comes to exercising, there are like, there are many more pitfalls that

804
00:46:58.410 --> 00:46:59.040
you're going to

805
00:46:59.040 --> 00:47:02.880
run up against. That's part of the reason why I don't have nearly, like I don't

806
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:04.000
have an exercise

807
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:10.960
section on the website because I respect that, like you say that your goal is

808
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:11.920
to hopefully help

809
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:18.720
protect the golfers from injury. With exercising, if you are going up against

810
00:47:18.720 --> 00:47:20.720
like, let's say you're

811
00:47:20.720 --> 00:47:26.360
having trouble rotating your ribcage because, let's say you're having trouble

812
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:27.280
rotating your

813
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:31.040
ribcage, right? You're having trouble activating that oblique. There's probably

814
00:47:31.040 --> 00:47:33.840
30 or 40 likely

815
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:38.370
causes as to why they would have trouble activating the oblique, and just

816
00:47:38.370 --> 00:47:39.280
trying to work through

817
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:44.380
it by strengthening the muscle wouldn't remove the barrier. So I'm a big fan of

818
00:47:44.380 --> 00:47:46.240
finding, you know,

819
00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:51.250
having someone on your team that understands those relationships. I'll give you

820
00:47:51.250 --> 00:47:52.560
one of my personal

821
00:47:52.560 --> 00:48:03.360
examples. So for me, I was very limited in my ribcage rotation up until maybe a

822
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.040
year and a half ago,

823
00:48:05.040 --> 00:48:14.080
and I had some to help other issues that I was going through, but by having

824
00:48:14.080 --> 00:48:15.680
those areas worked on,

825
00:48:15.680 --> 00:48:21.260
it freed up about 15 degrees of rotation almost instantly. Now, I had to do

826
00:48:21.260 --> 00:48:22.880
exercises for a good

827
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:28.180
six months or so to kind of help lock it in, but there was no exercise that I

828
00:48:28.180 --> 00:48:29.440
could have done

829
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:36.240
to basically get it to move safely if I hadn't had the deeper layer removed.

830
00:48:36.240 --> 00:48:37.280
And so that's where

831
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:46.810
I'm hoping to help you see where some of this kind of fits in. But the fitness

832
00:48:46.810 --> 00:48:47.200
side is a lot

833
00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:51.370
more complicated than the golf side. I'll just I'll phrase it that way. Like if

834
00:48:51.370 --> 00:48:52.640
you if someone has

835
00:48:52.640 --> 00:48:57.170
let's say a restriction in their shoulder, they're they're not able to go into

836
00:48:57.170 --> 00:48:58.720
external rotation,

837
00:48:58.720 --> 00:49:03.280
you've got to look at their breathing, you've got to look at their neck, you've

838
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:03.840
got to look at

839
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.450
the SC joint, you've got to look at the shoulder blade, those are all kind of

840
00:49:07.450 --> 00:49:08.480
higher up the chain

841
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:14.060
as far as what would prevent the shoulder blade. So it would be very

842
00:49:14.060 --> 00:49:15.840
complicated to try to just

843
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:20.730
lay out exercise programs for for strengthening those muscle groups. It's I'm a

844
00:49:20.730 --> 00:49:22.080
much bigger fan

845
00:49:22.080 --> 00:49:27.660
of finding somebody in your area who is pretty qualified to help people

846
00:49:27.660 --> 00:49:29.440
navigate those pitfalls.

847
00:49:32.080 --> 00:49:38.240
Any other questions as it relates to the shoulder or the oblique sling and how

848
00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:39.840
those relate to the

849
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:46.160
white movement. So hopefully you can visualize those those graphs of and

850
00:49:46.160 --> 00:49:48.560
basically this going

851
00:49:48.560 --> 00:49:55.260
more that way because it's being driven. So the arms going across slightly this

852
00:49:55.260 --> 00:49:55.520
way

853
00:49:55.520 --> 00:49:59.680
because it's being driven by what's happening with the core and the hips.

854
00:49:59.680 --> 00:50:01.760
Typically what I'll do

855
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:06.030
is I'll have golfers stand and hold their hands out in front just like they

856
00:50:06.030 --> 00:50:07.360
were gripping a club

857
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:11.490
and then put them on an angle and then I'll put my hand here and apply some

858
00:50:11.490 --> 00:50:12.320
resistance

859
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:16.080
and I'll have them try and rotate and then I'll have them I'll put the

860
00:50:16.080 --> 00:50:17.520
resistance at this part

861
00:50:17.520 --> 00:50:21.600
of the hand or this part of the club and have them try and throw. When they

862
00:50:21.600 --> 00:50:22.800
throw and I resist it

863
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.960
they'll feel it more in the shoulder when they rotate and I resist it they'll

864
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:26.720
feel it more in the

865
00:50:26.720 --> 00:50:31.820
core and then I ask them which of these feels most like your golf swing. That's

866
00:50:31.820 --> 00:50:32.800
a kind of a really

867
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:40.160
kind of base level way of trying to identify which of the patterns they may be

868
00:50:40.160 --> 00:50:40.560
using.

869
00:50:40.560 --> 00:50:50.320
Okay if there's no further questions or texts come in I'll jump back to the

870
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:51.840
power points.

871
00:50:55.200 --> 00:51:09.540
Okay so now I'm going to go into some of the question and answer but first let

872
00:51:09.540 --> 00:51:10.640
me jump down

873
00:51:10.640 --> 00:51:14.850
here. So first we're going to look through a couple of the swings that we're

874
00:51:14.850 --> 00:51:16.880
sent in and whether

875
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.960
you want to send in your students or your own they're great for us to discuss.

876
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.240
So at one of the

877
00:51:22.240 --> 00:51:26.910
suggestions last time I'm going to play these and then I'll pull up the analy

878
00:51:26.910 --> 00:51:27.920
zer and we'll kind of

879
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:37.160
look through and talk through. So first I'll just let it play through without

880
00:51:37.160 --> 00:51:38.960
telling you what's going

881
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:56.490
on in the situation. Okay I'll just kind of do my thing and scrub back and

882
00:51:56.490 --> 00:51:57.840
forth a few times

883
00:51:58.640 --> 00:52:07.050
so you can see what's going on in transition and then what's going on in the

884
00:52:07.050 --> 00:52:07.120
release.

885
00:52:07.120 --> 00:52:16.470
Okay now let's play through and down the line. So this is just the this

886
00:52:16.470 --> 00:52:18.400
gentleman's kind of stock

887
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:36.960
swing. Okay so then taping it up we can pump through transition a little bit.

888
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:44.400
So just kind of scrubbing back and forth and seeing where the movements

889
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.160
happening originating.

890
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:53.960
Okay and then going through the release and seeing where the movement is

891
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.960
happening originating.

892
00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:05.440
Okay now he's got three other swings and you can see down at the bottom

893
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:13.960
his standard swing is focusing on the motorcycle movement and leaning left and

894
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:15.920
then in each one of

895
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:21.840
these he's doing something different. So focusing on more extension through the

896
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:22.480
motorcycle,

897
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:29.680
focusing on the footwork, focusing on tempo. And this is a good way to approach

898
00:53:29.680 --> 00:53:36.080
jumping you know investigating the swing because you can kind of see what

899
00:53:36.080 --> 00:53:38.240
different thoughts produce

900
00:53:38.240 --> 00:53:43.060
as far as different swing outcomes and that can help guide what area to

901
00:53:43.060 --> 00:53:44.720
prioritize.

902
00:53:46.720 --> 00:53:53.520
Okay so that was focusing more on the wrist movement

903
00:53:53.520 --> 00:54:09.600
and through there we'll do this one focusing on the footwork.

904
00:54:16.720 --> 00:54:22.960
Okay definitely some difference when we focus on the footwork right? So here

905
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:30.850
we can see some pretty active stuff going on in the legs when we focus on that

906
00:54:30.850 --> 00:54:32.400
footwork.

907
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:41.120
Talk about that and then focusing on a little bit more of the speed

908
00:54:44.640 --> 00:54:48.440
and might be a little bit more of a hybrid as far as the footwork versus the

909
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:48.800
legs.

910
00:54:48.800 --> 00:55:01.800
Okay so this was more the so you had a quick little look at the snapshot this

911
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:02.720
was the description

912
00:55:02.720 --> 00:55:09.740
so I want to I want to be lower to the ball at impact with more side bend I

913
00:55:09.740 --> 00:55:10.400
want the club

914
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:16.320
straight and pointing at my chest at P9 not sure if he meant P9 or P8. I don't

915
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:17.600
really like my

916
00:55:17.600 --> 00:55:22.130
high finish but do think that affects my ball flight physical limitations

917
00:55:22.130 --> 00:55:22.960
internal rotation

918
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:29.690
limited on both hips more so on the right but both are bad. T-spine rotation is

919
00:55:29.690 --> 00:55:30.880
45 degrees

920
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:39.440
55 lat tests is fine so played on the course and

921
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:46.140
cut just comes out natural to me so we're going to look at why we might be

922
00:55:46.140 --> 00:55:46.640
cutting the ball.

923
00:55:46.640 --> 00:55:50.620
I really tried to force the draw today but I couldn't especially with the

924
00:55:50.620 --> 00:55:51.120
driver

925
00:55:51.120 --> 00:55:57.840
they were leaking right so all right so let me now jump that back to

926
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.720
this was the one that I was a little concerned with as far as it potentially l

927
00:56:05.720 --> 00:56:06.400
agging so

928
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:15.600
please let me know if if that becomes the case right so this is the standard

929
00:56:15.600 --> 00:56:17.360
standard swing first

930
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:23.120
I want to look through what could be you know as far as the hip rotation issue

931
00:56:23.120 --> 00:56:24.320
and then we'll look

932
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:31.350
through what might be causing more of the cut not that a cut is bad but that is

933
00:56:31.350 --> 00:56:33.200
what was described

934
00:56:33.200 --> 00:56:41.790
as something that we're working on okay first as far as the hip rotation I'd

935
00:56:41.790 --> 00:56:46.080
say internal rotation

936
00:56:46.080 --> 00:56:53.630
during the backswing doesn't appear to be a major limitation more of the

937
00:56:53.630 --> 00:56:55.360
rotation if you look at

938
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:59.520
the knee right there compared to the hip right there you'll see that the knee

939
00:56:59.520 --> 00:57:00.640
is kind of rotating

940
00:57:00.640 --> 00:57:06.960
out at about the same rate so most of that rotation is happening more at the

941
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.040
the lower limb so the

942
00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:13.620
foot to knee that's where more of the rotation is happening than actually in

943
00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:15.120
the hip the hip is

944
00:57:15.120 --> 00:57:21.260
rotating early kind of through that's hip and then that right there appears to

945
00:57:21.260 --> 00:57:22.800
be more more knee

946
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:28.000
or ankle however you want to look at it and then on the way down

947
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:34.640
I mean I've definitely seen more restricted internal rotation

948
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:44.370
so you can see at this point the movement is happening a bit more again from

949
00:57:44.370 --> 00:57:46.160
that knee and ankle

950
00:57:46.160 --> 00:57:50.160
so there's a little less movement through the hip but

951
00:57:50.160 --> 00:57:57.900
given what he does with his knee and ankle he's able to get his hips so now

952
00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:59.120
from a complicated

953
00:57:59.120 --> 00:58:04.960
perspective if you're investigating hip rotation you've got to look at pure

954
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:06.160
formus you've got to

955
00:58:06.160 --> 00:58:10.480
look at up to radar internus and quadratus femoris those are the big three as

956
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:10.960
far as

957
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:15.660
restrictions of the pelvic floor as they relate to hip rotation you've got to

958
00:58:15.660 --> 00:58:17.360
make sure the psalas

959
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:26.310
is fine you got to look at glute minimus and then things related to digestion

960
00:58:26.310 --> 00:58:26.480
and

961
00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:34.640
you're some of your you know pelvic floor organs and stuff like that can all

962
00:58:34.640 --> 00:58:35.360
limit it as well

963
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:42.540
okay so now probably the more relevant thing is we're going to look at his

964
00:58:42.540 --> 00:58:43.840
ideas with his

965
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:51.040
using his upper body lower body and we're going to look at the the cut pattern

966
00:58:51.040 --> 00:58:56.260
so now one of the things that he said in his interview was talking about or in

967
00:58:56.260 --> 00:58:57.520
his description

968
00:58:57.520 --> 00:59:02.320
was talking about the laid-off position at the top so for me a laid-off

969
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:03.760
position is simply

970
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:12.700
pre-shallowed so a laid-off position can be a power limiter but typically can

971
00:59:12.700 --> 00:59:14.240
help with control

972
00:59:14.240 --> 00:59:22.880
now to me everything through here so far says i should be able to

973
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:31.410
bring the club from the inside but if we look from there back up to there so if

974
00:59:31.410 --> 00:59:32.160
we look through

975
00:59:32.160 --> 00:59:38.900
that zone through there there's not a whole lot of ulnar deviation or unhinging

976
00:59:38.900 --> 00:59:40.560
happening and so

977
00:59:40.560 --> 00:59:45.860
as a result because the club um there hasn't been a whole lot of that ulnar

978
00:59:45.860 --> 00:59:48.080
deviation you can see

979
00:59:48.080 --> 00:59:58.240
that compared to let's take it kind of the impact all right so you can see

980
00:59:58.240 --> 01:00:00.160
compared to the angle

981
01:00:00.160 --> 01:00:04.690
of the forearm and if you look at the wrist so if i move that compared to the

982
01:00:04.690 --> 01:00:05.520
angle of the forearm

983
01:00:05.520 --> 01:00:10.190
and the wrist you'll see that that's in a you know hinged or radially deviated

984
01:00:10.190 --> 01:00:11.280
position there's not a

985
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:16.570
whole lot of unhinged that unhinged would have happened would have brought the

986
01:00:16.570 --> 01:00:17.520
club down more

987
01:00:17.520 --> 01:00:22.930
through here and helped it finish more in the position that he described of

988
01:00:22.930 --> 01:00:24.880
club facing his chest

989
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:30.960
so the two i have a video about the two checks for um ulnar deviation and it

990
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:31.680
would basically be

991
01:00:31.680 --> 01:00:35.550
looking at this position here if we wanted to have the club more in line with

992
01:00:35.550 --> 01:00:36.640
the forearm that would

993
01:00:36.640 --> 01:00:41.190
be ulnar deviation and if we wanted to have the club coming more um shallow

994
01:00:41.190 --> 01:00:42.480
through here that would

995
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:48.570
also be ulnar deviation so looking at this pattern there's two components that

996
01:00:48.570 --> 01:00:50.160
say the cut is happening

997
01:00:50.160 --> 01:00:57.360
primarily because of a lack of ulnar deviation now if we pull up his other

998
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.680
swing patterns let me

999
01:00:59.680 --> 01:01:09.370
see if i got the right ones uh nope okay so if we look at this more lower body

1000
01:01:09.370 --> 01:01:10.960
it's the the

1001
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:15.870
straightening of the lower body that should help trigger that ulnar deviation

1002
01:01:15.870 --> 01:01:17.680
so right around here

1003
01:01:17.680 --> 01:01:22.590
where he's focusing more on the wrist there's a decent amount of it appears

1004
01:01:22.590 --> 01:01:23.440
there's a decent

1005
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.360
wipe as far as the direction of the hands um but there's not a lot of unhinged

1006
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:29.360
during that wipe

1007
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:33.890
and there's not a lot of lead leg straightening so you see that the lead leg is

1008
01:01:33.890 --> 01:01:35.040
kind of acting more

1009
01:01:35.040 --> 01:01:40.800
as a buffer or more as a shock absorber um and then the hands are just kind of

1010
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:42.480
swinging the club

1011
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:47.340
and the uh the arms are swinging the club back through there when he goes to

1012
01:01:47.340 --> 01:01:49.280
focus on the lower body

1013
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:57.720
it's still it's late in the pattern so you can see it's not until he gets down

1014
01:01:57.720 --> 01:01:59.040
to right about here

1015
01:01:59.040 --> 01:02:03.930
that that left leg really starts to straighten that left leg should start to

1016
01:02:03.930 --> 01:02:06.080
straighten right around

1017
01:02:06.080 --> 01:02:12.790
here to help with the ulnar deviation to help get the shallowness from that

1018
01:02:12.790 --> 01:02:15.280
lead wrist and so

1019
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:23.720
when he tries to use his lower body it happens later at a time so it doesn't

1020
01:02:23.720 --> 01:02:24.960
necessarily have a

1021
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:32.350
big impact on the path and the ulnar deviation so if i'm looking at this i like

1022
01:02:32.350 --> 01:02:33.680
the idea i like

1023
01:02:33.680 --> 01:02:37.200
what's happening with the lower body but it's happening too late and i think it

1024
01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:37.840
's happening too

1025
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:42.640
late because he's training it away from the ulnar deviation or not in concert

1026
01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:44.160
with the ulnar deviation

1027
01:02:44.160 --> 01:02:49.740
let me jump back and see if there's stuff on the chat because i thought we

1028
01:02:49.740 --> 01:02:51.520
might okay there's a

1029
01:02:51.520 --> 01:02:55.910
late stall with the jewels is commenting on the swing there's a late stall with

1030
01:02:55.910 --> 01:02:56.800
a bit of a flip

1031
01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:02.100
at impact it results in a bit of low to high or lack of ulnar deviation i'll

1032
01:03:02.100 --> 01:03:03.120
contribute to

1033
01:03:03.120 --> 01:03:12.080
low to high and slight flip roll yeah and so you saw i kind of tried to build

1034
01:03:12.080 --> 01:03:12.720
it up there but

1035
01:03:12.720 --> 01:03:18.510
eventually got to that same place that basically what he wants to do with his

1036
01:03:18.510 --> 01:03:19.760
legs is being blocked

1037
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:26.490
by what he wants to do with his wrist so essentially that that left leg pushing

1038
01:03:26.490 --> 01:03:28.320
should cause some of

1039
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:33.620
that hinge to get out through this zone here um but it doesn't look like it

1040
01:03:33.620 --> 01:03:35.520
dumps out that way

1041
01:03:35.520 --> 01:03:39.760
so why doesn't it look that way this is what we saw with the 3d graphs if it

1042
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:41.280
dumps out this way

1043
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:45.810
from the lead wrist but then the trail wrist is pulling it across this way as

1044
01:03:45.810 --> 01:03:46.960
that's happening

1045
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:53.020
it ends up looking like that if it just dumped out this way without that with

1046
01:03:53.020 --> 01:03:53.840
the trail wrist

1047
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:58.640
dumping out like we saw with the amateurs then yes it would look more like that

1048
01:03:58.640 --> 01:03:59.200
the difference

1049
01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:04.900
between that movement there and that movement there is that trail wrist trail

1050
01:04:04.900 --> 01:04:07.520
shoulder lead elbow

1051
01:04:07.520 --> 01:04:13.280
that's that white movement so he was he's a very good case for talking about or

1052
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:14.400
he he's very good

1053
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:18.240
for this month's webinar where we're talking mostly about the white movement

1054
01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:19.360
because he appears

1055
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:26.090
that he has like the global white pattern but it's a little bit out of sequence

1056
01:04:26.090 --> 01:04:26.880
the lower body

1057
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:30.940
and the upper body aren't totally connected which is really where the like the

1058
01:04:30.940 --> 01:04:32.080
essence of the wipe

1059
01:04:32.080 --> 01:04:38.810
that's where i'm trying to to drive it when i look at it if his concept is the

1060
01:04:38.810 --> 01:04:40.080
fade it seems

1061
01:04:40.080 --> 01:04:44.370
that he opens his shoulders a little early and his arc width looks short i

1062
01:04:44.370 --> 01:04:45.680
agree that the arc width

1063
01:04:45.680 --> 01:04:50.360
looks short and it's the ulnar deviation or unhinged that helps widen it um

1064
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:52.960
commenting on uh ed's

1065
01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:58.960
ed's comment if the we saw it impacted it had a little bit more of kind of the

1066
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:00.240
Sergio look like

1067
01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:06.400
this instead of more of like a Dustin look like that if the unhinged happens

1068
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:08.400
through this phase here

1069
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:14.450
that'll help get the club shallow um and wide and coming from the inside and

1070
01:05:14.450 --> 01:05:16.240
that will allow

1071
01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:21.850
for that amount of body rotation to not bring the path of the club more to the

1072
01:05:21.850 --> 01:05:23.120
left if he brings

1073
01:05:23.120 --> 01:05:27.030
the club the path of the club to the left he's got to hold the face off a

1074
01:05:27.030 --> 01:05:28.320
little bit in order to

1075
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:39.280
produce the fade back um or he's going to hit a massive pull so good overall

1076
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:40.160
discussion

1077
01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:44.690
thought that was a pretty good swing um i'll jump back and we'll look at the

1078
01:05:44.690 --> 01:05:44.960
second

1079
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:49.280
uh little case study that was submitted which is uh one of Robbie's students

1080
01:05:50.640 --> 01:05:55.760
so where's that powerpoint all right

1081
01:05:55.760 --> 01:06:05.660
okay so we'll look at this junior golfer juniors are fun um they always come up

1082
01:06:05.660 --> 01:06:06.080
with

1083
01:06:06.080 --> 01:06:15.590
exciting exaggeration ways to do certain things uh so let's take a look at what

1084
01:06:15.590 --> 01:06:16.800
's going on here

1085
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:23.330
looks like he he might not have hit that one too solidly but it's pretty good

1086
01:06:23.330 --> 01:06:23.760
looking move

1087
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:28.560
i'll let that play one more time and then i'll scrub back and forth through it

1088
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:44.960
so here's that transition and then there's the release

1089
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:54.000
transition into the release all right let's see what it looks like from

1090
01:06:54.000 --> 01:07:09.920
whoops sorry about that see what it looks like from the face on view

1091
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:19.610
so transition a few times a little bit of steepening it looks like from

1092
01:07:19.610 --> 01:07:20.560
transition

1093
01:07:20.560 --> 01:07:24.480
maybe we'll see if we look at the down the line and then through impact

1094
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.560
you can kind of see what's going on through there

1095
01:07:28.560 --> 01:07:35.290
okay so before we go to analyze attach this junior student who tends to

1096
01:07:35.290 --> 01:07:36.080
struggle with low

1097
01:07:36.080 --> 01:07:41.090
point control absolutely we can we saw that in one of the examples oftentimes

1098
01:07:41.090 --> 01:07:41.600
hitting it

1099
01:07:41.600 --> 01:07:46.240
fat and on the heel he's a good athlete swimmer and has only been playing for a

1100
01:07:46.240 --> 01:07:47.040
few months that's

1101
01:07:47.040 --> 01:07:53.280
awesome so he's he's got a high ceiling recently but we've been working on

1102
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.320
getting more open

1103
01:07:54.320 --> 01:08:01.520
often looks at the lead leg foot so whoops let me

1104
01:08:01.520 --> 01:08:08.880
let's go back to the analyzer all right so now if we

1105
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:16.480
put him in here let's jump through some details

1106
01:08:16.480 --> 01:08:27.120
okay so my take on this golfer you know for only playing a few months it's it's

1107
01:08:27.120 --> 01:08:28.480
not too bad now

1108
01:08:28.480 --> 01:08:34.060
when we come to this waist height the this is a good place to kind of check the

1109
01:08:34.060 --> 01:08:34.560
orientation of

1110
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:38.760
the grip you can see it here in the setup as well that the the grip is fairly

1111
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:39.200
strong

1112
01:08:39.200 --> 01:08:45.510
so with a strong grip like that he's either going to do what he does or he has

1113
01:08:45.510 --> 01:08:46.560
to get open so I

1114
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:51.130
agree with the idea of getting open getting open will cause him to hit it

1115
01:08:51.130 --> 01:08:53.120
earlier in the arc which

1116
01:08:53.120 --> 01:08:58.200
gives it less time for it to close which would help him from not having the big

1117
01:08:58.200 --> 01:08:58.960
leftness

1118
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:08.000
fortunately he uses the other pattern now as he starts down you can see that

1119
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:08.800
that phase

1120
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:13.150
through there if I scrub back and forth there's not a whole lot happening at

1121
01:09:13.150 --> 01:09:14.080
the lower body

1122
01:09:14.080 --> 01:09:20.200
that's definitely more more of the effort is happening from above the belly

1123
01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:20.880
button

1124
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:26.640
and the lower body is acting more as a stabilizer for that movement so

1125
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:35.080
so the upper body kind of went first and in order to not get too steep he kept

1126
01:09:35.080 --> 01:09:35.200
his

1127
01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:43.790
shoulders a little bit more closed now with with that club position of the you

1128
01:09:43.790 --> 01:09:44.960
know the angle pretty

1129
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:51.050
close to parallel we need to have the hips a bit more open again I'd be kind of

1130
01:09:51.050 --> 01:09:52.640
my goal would be

1131
01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:59.440
he needs to make contact with his arms compared to his body right about there

1132
01:09:59.440 --> 01:10:01.040
so if you imagine

1133
01:10:02.320 --> 01:10:06.640
there's his arms compared to his body now if I could play Photoshop and just

1134
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:07.760
use his body to move

1135
01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:13.340
the club from there down to there that would be you know somewhere in the

1136
01:10:13.340 --> 01:10:14.560
magnitude of probably

1137
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.480
30 or 40 degrees more rotation and it would tend to happen a little bit earlier

1138
01:10:18.480 --> 01:10:20.880
that would allow him

1139
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:26.820
to square the club face and not hit big poles or pull hooks what he ends up

1140
01:10:26.820 --> 01:10:30.160
doing instead is from

1141
01:10:30.160 --> 01:10:37.660
here he goes into pretty massive extension to hold the club face open to get it

1142
01:10:37.660 --> 01:10:39.120
pointing at the target

1143
01:10:39.120 --> 01:10:47.560
so I'll exaggerate that piece if I have the club slam shut like this I could

1144
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:49.280
either rotate

1145
01:10:49.280 --> 01:10:55.570
so much that now that's pointing at the target because I hit it way behind my

1146
01:10:55.570 --> 01:10:56.880
body kind of like

1147
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:05.520
this more like almost a Jim Firk or if it's way open here I could swing kind of

1148
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:06.720
up and hold off

1149
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:13.540
the movement that way in order to prevent the face from closing over by passing

1150
01:11:13.540 --> 01:11:14.240
my body

1151
01:11:14.240 --> 01:11:20.120
so what he's doing there is a way to control the club face now the problem is

1152
01:11:20.120 --> 01:11:21.440
in order to do that

1153
01:11:21.440 --> 01:11:26.220
my upper body starts extending and the club starts swinging more low to high so

1154
01:11:26.220 --> 01:11:27.040
I'd had

1155
01:11:27.040 --> 01:11:31.340
a conversation with him and I would probably demonstrate those two different

1156
01:11:31.340 --> 01:11:32.640
patterns so

1157
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:38.220
with kids a lot I will put down the walls and demonstrate you know option one

1158
01:11:38.220 --> 01:11:38.960
option two let's

1159
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:43.600
talk about what the difference is between these two what'd you see you know I'd

1160
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.280
basically show him

1161
01:11:45.280 --> 01:11:51.620
or help him understand that he has two options one um I would preface it by

1162
01:11:51.620 --> 01:11:53.440
saying okay we are

1163
01:11:53.440 --> 01:11:57.660
going to have low point issues as long as we keep standing up through impact so

1164
01:11:57.660 --> 01:11:58.720
we have two options

1165
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:04.420
to fix it one is to turn or two is to weaken the grip so it'll allow you to

1166
01:12:04.420 --> 01:12:05.680
stay down and not

1167
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:11.890
hit it massively left with the body position you get into an impact and I trust

1168
01:12:11.890 --> 01:12:13.120
his gut initially

1169
01:12:13.120 --> 01:12:18.300
say like which would you rather try to to work on more on keeping the grip the

1170
01:12:18.300 --> 01:12:18.880
same and work

1171
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:24.640
on the body position or two would you like to to work on the hand movements the

1172
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:25.840
arm movements

1173
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:31.680
and come back to the body position but I would basically say look if this is

1174
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:32.480
pulling up and going

1175
01:12:32.480 --> 01:12:36.540
this way and the club is swinging up through impact it's going to be we're

1176
01:12:36.540 --> 01:12:37.600
going to hit a lot

1177
01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:40.500
of shots where the club bottoms out behind it and we're going to have a lot of

1178
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:42.000
fin shots and I would

1179
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:46.980
kind of go down that route um and guide it that way so I think you're on the

1180
01:12:46.980 --> 01:12:48.560
right track of getting

1181
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:57.000
more rotation you're I would probably work on limiting the extension pattern

1182
01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:57.840
through there

1183
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:04.220
so I would probably work on you know hit my arms type thing and almost exagger

1184
01:13:04.220 --> 01:13:04.960
ate my arms

1185
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:10.230
being a little bit more around him if he did that he's going to hit some pulls

1186
01:13:10.230 --> 01:13:11.120
and some left shots

1187
01:13:11.120 --> 01:13:15.260
unless he hits it earlier in the arc or weakens the grip those are kind of your

1188
01:13:15.260 --> 01:13:16.320
your two choices

1189
01:13:16.320 --> 01:13:24.420
let's see if there's any comments relating to uh Robbie's student there like I

1190
01:13:24.420 --> 01:13:25.200
said juniors are

1191
01:13:25.200 --> 01:13:32.750
fun because I've I've had I had a junior go from about 20 degrees into out or

1192
01:13:32.750 --> 01:13:33.920
sorry 20 degrees out

1193
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:38.450
to end to 20 degrees into out in less than a month um they can just they can

1194
01:13:38.450 --> 01:13:39.520
make massive changes

1195
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:42.640
pretty quickly um sometimes that's good sometimes that's bad

1196
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:48.880
all right Robbie good so hopefully that gives you some ideas all right

1197
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:56.160
let me jump back to the powerpoint oh Jason's got a question what about his

1198
01:13:56.160 --> 01:14:02.640
center of mass upper center moving too far forward in early transition which

1199
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:03.840
would cause his early

1200
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:13.350
extension and backup um yes those those are absolutely related uh the I always

1201
01:14:13.350 --> 01:14:15.520
um I've

1202
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:19.590
relayed everything to other other sports that I've played in every other sport

1203
01:14:19.590 --> 01:14:20.400
that I played

1204
01:14:20.400 --> 01:14:24.260
you want to figure out the end of the movement before you figure out the

1205
01:14:24.260 --> 01:14:25.840
beginning of the movement

1206
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:30.630
so like in basketball you're figuring out how to do this in tennis you're

1207
01:14:30.630 --> 01:14:31.760
figuring out how to do

1208
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:36.290
this in disc golf you're figuring out how to do that and then you start backing

1209
01:14:36.290 --> 01:14:37.600
into well what are

1210
01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:42.680
the body movements that would tend to support that um the simple explanation or

1211
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:44.400
the simple analogy

1212
01:14:44.400 --> 01:14:49.580
would be if you're learning to jump the safest like teaching you how to jump

1213
01:14:49.580 --> 01:14:50.880
high is really scary

1214
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:57.870
until I teach you how to land so if he could so where you said um you know what

1215
01:14:57.870 --> 01:14:58.720
about what's

1216
01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:02.060
happening in transition well here's my simple test so if I give him a good

1217
01:15:02.060 --> 01:15:02.960
transition if I

1218
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:07.160
have him do nine to three so he didn't have a chance to lunge can he control

1219
01:15:07.160 --> 01:15:07.840
low pointing

1220
01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:16.220
can he do it there if he can't do um if he can't do a good solid strike from

1221
01:15:16.220 --> 01:15:17.680
waist height to waist

1222
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:23.110
height then I'm not too worried about his transition yet because the transition

1223
01:15:23.110 --> 01:15:23.840
is compensating for

1224
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:29.090
the poor release uh but if he can do it from nine to three or belly button to

1225
01:15:29.090 --> 01:15:31.120
belly button then

1226
01:15:31.120 --> 01:15:35.880
I'm definitely worried about the transition going that way and then I would

1227
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:37.040
start getting into lower

1228
01:15:37.040 --> 01:15:42.350
body rotation pivot drills um stuff like that so hopefully that gives kind of

1229
01:15:42.350 --> 01:15:43.440
at least the order

1230
01:15:43.440 --> 01:15:49.230
I would look at but you could probably get faster results going after

1231
01:15:49.230 --> 01:15:51.440
transition first but I don't

1232
01:15:51.440 --> 01:15:55.050
think they would like I think they'd be limited because of what's going on at

1233
01:15:55.050 --> 01:15:55.760
the release

1234
01:15:55.760 --> 01:16:01.680
Mike is asking about the swings what do you recommend for ulnar deviation um

1235
01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:04.080
there's a you know a

1236
01:16:04.080 --> 01:16:09.890
handful of drills as far as like the um unhinged with the or the um face

1237
01:16:09.890 --> 01:16:11.840
rotation with the impact

1238
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:19.060
bag helps work on the timing of that um isolated ulnar so I'll um and then like

1239
01:16:19.060 --> 01:16:20.560
the elder eye type

1240
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:25.730
finishing and finishing theirs but I would almost um I do I do want a lot where

1241
01:16:25.730 --> 01:16:27.760
I'll have them preset

1242
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:32.290
the ulnar deviation so preset it kind of like that and then figure out how not

1243
01:16:32.290 --> 01:16:33.040
to hit it fat

1244
01:16:33.040 --> 01:16:38.620
um that's a good way to kind of work on the confidence and feeling that this is

1245
01:16:38.620 --> 01:16:39.600
already down

1246
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:50.120
there uh when you are starting the release pattern okay I got some questions I

1247
01:16:50.120 --> 01:16:50.960
'll come back to take

1248
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:54.240
a look at the chat but I do want to make sure that I cover uh some of the

1249
01:16:54.240 --> 01:16:55.200
questions that lingered

1250
01:16:55.200 --> 01:17:01.040
from last time as well as the new ones here okay so back to the power points

1251
01:17:05.200 --> 01:17:12.240
okay I have a question um he's got a college player who takes large divots um

1252
01:17:12.240 --> 01:17:12.880
so I'm assuming

1253
01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:16.810
by that we mean deep divots uh very physically strong drive the ball 320

1254
01:17:16.810 --> 01:17:17.760
reading the section

1255
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:22.710
of the book on the como flat spot I believe he is swinging too much inside out

1256
01:17:22.710 --> 01:17:23.680
um here let me

1257
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:35.920
a power point all right does that work okay or is that kind of cut off well you

1258
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.200
'll you'll be

1259
01:17:37.200 --> 01:17:41.840
able to see me as we go through it and I'll I'll read it and kind of describe

1260
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.240
um all right I

1261
01:17:44.240 --> 01:17:48.200
believe he is swinging too much inside out and almost hitting a punch shot

1262
01:17:48.200 --> 01:17:49.280
approach and never

1263
01:17:49.280 --> 01:17:58.400
allowing the handle to work up and in um one of the one of the common ways so

1264
01:17:58.400 --> 01:17:59.440
the one of the reasons

1265
01:17:59.440 --> 01:18:06.570
I love the the white movement um is for good players the white movement is one

1266
01:18:06.570 --> 01:18:07.840
of the keys for

1267
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:11.710
controlling low point which sounds like this guy has some issues with and for

1268
01:18:11.710 --> 01:18:12.960
eliminating the big

1269
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:18.540
left miss which so I feel like those are two of the most frustrating problems

1270
01:18:18.540 --> 01:18:20.080
for like a mid-single

1271
01:18:20.080 --> 01:18:26.960
digit golfer or even a low single digit golfer um at the college level he's

1272
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:28.640
probably better

1273
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:33.170
than the low single digit category and what he probably is going to have um

1274
01:18:33.170 --> 01:18:34.960
some of the best

1275
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:40.040
results from is working on a little bit more of the low to high release so with

1276
01:18:40.040 --> 01:18:41.520
the with the white

1277
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:46.110
pattern if I'm applying force in the direction of the handle then at this point

1278
01:18:46.110 --> 01:18:47.520
here I'm now applying

1279
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:51.360
that force in the direction of the handle up this way as opposed to going

1280
01:18:51.360 --> 01:18:53.120
straight down that way

1281
01:18:53.120 --> 01:18:57.650
so there's a concept I use of the low to high release that works really well on

1282
01:18:57.650 --> 01:18:58.560
the white pattern

1283
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:03.560
which is basically from if I was if I was to get to this kind of shaft parallel

1284
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:04.800
position and then

1285
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.980
use mostly couple you would tend to see that compared to the screen my hands

1286
01:19:08.980 --> 01:19:10.000
are going down

1287
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:16.640
as they go to impact well to get that flat spot if if the club is a fixed

1288
01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:17.840
length here it is an

1289
01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:21.160
impact all you really need to see is the handle and the bottom of the screen

1290
01:19:21.160 --> 01:19:22.560
works well for this

1291
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:27.280
so here we've got the the handle at a certain height and impact if I'm going to

1292
01:19:27.280 --> 01:19:28.160
have the handle

1293
01:19:28.160 --> 01:19:33.030
working up through impact that means it had to be lower when it was even with

1294
01:19:33.030 --> 01:19:34.320
my right thought

1295
01:19:34.320 --> 01:19:39.900
so here it is an impact it would have to be down there and working kind of up

1296
01:19:39.900 --> 01:19:40.960
that way

1297
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:46.890
as it releases out golfers who tend to have more of that lunge throw pattern

1298
01:19:46.890 --> 01:19:48.000
the handle would be

1299
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:52.960
working down and so when they try to if when I preset them in a lower position

1300
01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:53.520
if they're used

1301
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:57.220
to going down they're going to hit a lot of fat shots and it's not until they

1302
01:19:57.220 --> 01:19:58.240
start to feel

1303
01:19:58.240 --> 01:20:04.240
okay I've got to kind of delay this and work it a little bit more up and around

1304
01:20:04.240 --> 01:20:04.880
that low to high

1305
01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:10.460
release and to hit my arms idea works really well for five handicaps and below

1306
01:20:10.460 --> 01:20:11.600
who struggle with

1307
01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:17.760
really deep kind of lunge style divots and pull hooks so that's where I would

1308
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:18.640
probably go with that

1309
01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:22.800
college golfer and this is probably the right time to do it

1310
01:20:25.280 --> 01:20:29.830
okay if you can cover some of the forces and stuff I signed up for the online

1311
01:20:29.830 --> 01:20:30.560
version

1312
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:35.760
of the forces in motion so the forces in motion program was

1313
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:42.640
whoops you can't see what I'm reading but the forces in motion program from Sas

1314
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:43.680
cha and Phil was

1315
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:50.410
a great little you know two day or one day going over the basic forces and how

1316
01:20:50.410 --> 01:20:51.440
they apply and

1317
01:20:51.440 --> 01:20:57.380
it's really looking at the shaft rotation looking at moment of force versus

1318
01:20:57.380 --> 01:20:57.760
torque

1319
01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:04.470
and and that kind of stuff hopefully I've discussed it a few times in this that

1320
01:21:04.470 --> 01:21:06.160
it really helps to

1321
01:21:06.160 --> 01:21:15.850
identify or it'll help you identify the swing faults typically golfers will get

1322
01:21:15.850 --> 01:21:17.440
more of a couple

1323
01:21:17.440 --> 01:21:20.720
going and less of the moment of force especially if they're not using the right

1324
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:21.120
parts of their

1325
01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:27.520
body and typically they will wait too long to apply the rotational force so the

1326
01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:28.560
you know the

1327
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:33.470
motorcycle movement those are the two most common places where the general

1328
01:21:33.470 --> 01:21:34.800
force patterns are

1329
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:41.750
are wrong or incomplete the which so this is a good question because it leads

1330
01:21:41.750 --> 01:21:42.560
us into

1331
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:51.230
one of the next questions which is one of the questions that was coming from

1332
01:21:51.230 --> 01:21:54.800
last time was relating

1333
01:21:54.800 --> 01:22:08.490
to the alpha wars so I thought I'd get that out of the way okay so the the

1334
01:22:08.490 --> 01:22:10.480
alpha war discussion is

1335
01:22:10.480 --> 01:22:14.710
basically the the question was essentially what's your take on the alpha war

1336
01:22:14.710 --> 01:22:15.760
discussion and so

1337
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:22.490
I've I've gone down as much you know I ask Sascha and Phil and Rob Neal and K

1338
01:22:22.490 --> 01:22:23.600
wan and you know I've

1339
01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:28.530
spent some time with each of them talking about some of these these concepts so

1340
01:22:28.530 --> 01:22:30.080
I feel like I have

1341
01:22:30.080 --> 01:22:33.380
a pretty decent understanding on where their math is going and where they or

1342
01:22:33.380 --> 01:22:34.480
where their math comes

1343
01:22:34.480 --> 01:22:40.870
from and and what they're looking at um with the other side of the alpha war

1344
01:22:40.870 --> 01:22:41.920
the Jacobs

1345
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:46.450
manzella and nesbit side I don't know a whole lot as far as what they're

1346
01:22:46.450 --> 01:22:48.880
actually measuring or looking

1347
01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:54.460
at um but the experiences that I've had are some golfers uh some other coaches

1348
01:22:54.460 --> 01:22:55.760
I've talked to who've

1349
01:22:55.760 --> 01:23:01.110
had golfers go and get measured on both systems will describe that what Jacobs

1350
01:23:01.110 --> 01:23:02.480
and manzella are

1351
01:23:02.480 --> 01:23:09.210
promoting matches their feels better so here's the here's kind of one of my big

1352
01:23:09.210 --> 01:23:11.120
global takes um from

1353
01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:17.850
I heard him say it and I've heard second hand that manzella tends to believe

1354
01:23:17.850 --> 01:23:18.800
whatever you measure

1355
01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:25.360
that's what you should tell the golfer to do so if the if the measurement says

1356
01:23:25.360 --> 01:23:25.920
you can apply

1357
01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:29.200
force across the shaft then you should apply force across the shaft the

1358
01:23:29.200 --> 01:23:30.160
measurement says that you

1359
01:23:30.160 --> 01:23:34.480
should pull up on the handle then you should try and pull up on the handle um

1360
01:23:34.480 --> 01:23:36.800
that doesn't necessarily

1361
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:45.230
match uh how I've experienced feels in sports so um I tend to because I

1362
01:23:45.230 --> 01:23:46.240
understand what's going on

1363
01:23:46.240 --> 01:23:52.720
with the the other side um the way I would look at it is this if I'm measuring

1364
01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:53.760
the force patterns

1365
01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:58.660
of someone's walking or gait the patterns are not going to be dramatically

1366
01:23:58.660 --> 01:23:59.680
different there's going

1367
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:05.260
to be some subtle differences um if the force patterns were dramatically

1368
01:24:05.260 --> 01:24:07.120
different then it wouldn't

1369
01:24:07.120 --> 01:24:16.480
necessarily look like walking so when um when the what I see with the manzella

1370
01:24:16.480 --> 01:24:18.640
the alpha um the alpha

1371
01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:23.460
man and the Jacobs 3D is it appears that they can have some bigger differences

1372
01:24:23.460 --> 01:24:24.400
between their

1373
01:24:24.400 --> 01:24:30.830
different patterns well um to me that's actually a little bit of a of a red

1374
01:24:30.830 --> 01:24:32.880
flag what I what I think

1375
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:36.260
is going on is I think they might have something that's really interesting as

1376
01:24:36.260 --> 01:24:37.360
far as what a person

1377
01:24:37.360 --> 01:24:44.090
feels but then they're promoting what a person feels as the actual science

1378
01:24:44.090 --> 01:24:47.120
behind it um so one of

1379
01:24:47.120 --> 01:24:52.010
the questions that I always ask myself is outside of golf how would this

1380
01:24:52.010 --> 01:24:54.800
situation be applied so um

1381
01:24:54.800 --> 01:25:01.500
inverse dynamics is largely applied to robotics so the question I would ask is

1382
01:25:01.500 --> 01:25:03.440
if what Quan is doing

1383
01:25:03.440 --> 01:25:10.330
what Sasha was doing Rob Neal's doing what all the other um PhDs who are using

1384
01:25:10.330 --> 01:25:11.200
the conventional

1385
01:25:11.200 --> 01:25:18.640
approach are doing um if if they're wrong then a lot of things built around

1386
01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:20.080
robotics shouldn't work

1387
01:25:20.080 --> 01:25:25.350
properly or it should break down much more um because you wouldn't be if you're

1388
01:25:25.350 --> 01:25:26.800
miscalculating

1389
01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:32.380
how the how the torque is going through a robot arm that one specific area

1390
01:25:32.380 --> 01:25:34.880
would get um broken down

1391
01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:42.090
you know experience too much wear too easily so my question would be if if the

1392
01:25:42.090 --> 01:25:44.960
Nezbit um Jacob

1393
01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:49.300
side is correct then what are the applications that this should have in the

1394
01:25:49.300 --> 01:25:50.560
field of robotics and

1395
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:55.130
space exploration because those are way bigger markets than um than golf

1396
01:25:55.130 --> 01:25:56.400
instruction and if

1397
01:25:56.400 --> 01:26:04.840
there's a better way that's more accurate um and would be able to basically

1398
01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:06.080
they're saying that

1399
01:26:06.080 --> 01:26:10.610
one side is wrong not that they're both correct so if their side is right and

1400
01:26:10.610 --> 01:26:11.360
the traditional

1401
01:26:11.360 --> 01:26:15.890
side is wrong then my view is that traditional robotics should fail unless they

1402
01:26:15.890 --> 01:26:16.960
're all doing what

1403
01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:25.120
Nezbit is saying um so I'm I'm holding my breath uh waiting for the answer um

1404
01:26:25.120 --> 01:26:27.120
as far as what they're

1405
01:26:27.120 --> 01:26:31.650
actually measuring and how it would be applied um I don't know that there's

1406
01:26:31.650 --> 01:26:33.360
going to be a massive

1407
01:26:33.360 --> 01:26:39.310
difference in terms of the application um because what they're describing is

1408
01:26:39.310 --> 01:26:40.400
essentially

1409
01:26:42.160 --> 01:26:46.690
not necessarily does it change what you teach but could it change what you feel

1410
01:26:46.690 --> 01:26:48.720
so like the

1411
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:53.600
it it seems they'll all be boiling down to can you apply force across the

1412
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:55.040
handle down at impact

1413
01:26:55.040 --> 01:27:00.340
or is the handle moving away from the the club or away from your hand down at

1414
01:27:00.340 --> 01:27:00.960
impact

1415
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:08.320
uh yeah I've been I've never been allowed in their group um Jason comments that

1416
01:27:08.320 --> 01:27:09.600
agree but who knows

1417
01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:14.320
because they won't tell anybody what they have found yeah I um I was never even

1418
01:27:14.320 --> 01:27:14.880
allowed in their

1419
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:19.080
group to get kicked out of so um I've I don't get a whole lot of stuff unless

1420
01:27:19.080 --> 01:27:20.720
it screenshots posted

1421
01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:25.250
or sent to me um from people who have been clever enough not to get kicked out

1422
01:27:25.250 --> 01:27:29.760
um but the like the

1423
01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:34.770
the level of what we're talking about down there is really really small and in

1424
01:27:34.770 --> 01:27:35.600
my opinion

1425
01:27:36.240 --> 01:27:43.420
possibly inconsequential um like I know that uh um Tom Resendez did uh a thing

1426
01:27:43.420 --> 01:27:44.240
of basically like

1427
01:27:44.240 --> 01:27:50.160
hitting a shot with a penny in between the index finger and keeping any sleeve

1428
01:27:50.160 --> 01:27:51.200
you could do an

1429
01:27:51.200 --> 01:27:54.760
open hand drill and have the same club head speed you would have if you had a

1430
01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:56.640
closed hand drill um

1431
01:27:56.640 --> 01:28:01.250
that's one piece and two piece you you have to understand so positive couple

1432
01:28:01.250 --> 01:28:02.080
would mean that

1433
01:28:02.080 --> 01:28:06.610
I am pushing actively into the shaft neutral couple would basically be I'm

1434
01:28:06.610 --> 01:28:07.440
applying zero

1435
01:28:07.440 --> 01:28:14.310
torque or force into the shaft in this rotational direction and negative would

1436
01:28:14.310 --> 01:28:16.000
be the the hint the

1437
01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:21.870
club is actually pulling out of my hand faster than I can apply to it well you

1438
01:28:21.870 --> 01:28:23.920
could still if

1439
01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:29.660
you watched if I was to let's get it kind of straight on if I was to apply

1440
01:28:29.660 --> 01:28:31.040
force now I'm

1441
01:28:31.040 --> 01:28:37.540
pushing I'm pushing the pad into the bone well if we're the because it's on

1442
01:28:37.540 --> 01:28:39.680
such a small timeline

1443
01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:44.420
if I was to I've still got pressure in my hand but if I was to pull away from

1444
01:28:44.420 --> 01:28:45.680
the bone that was a

1445
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:48.550
negative that would be a negative couple even though I still had pressure in

1446
01:28:48.550 --> 01:28:50.240
the skin so like

1447
01:28:50.240 --> 01:28:55.820
because of the small window that we're looking at um there's many different

1448
01:28:55.820 --> 01:28:57.600
reasons why you could

1449
01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:01.760
feel like you're pushing against it and not actually be pushing against it um

1450
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:02.320
from what I

1451
01:29:02.320 --> 01:29:07.900
understand like the the argument of the shaft deflection I'll be curious to see

1452
01:29:07.900 --> 01:29:10.000
their um their

1453
01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:17.990
answer to that but basically if the shaft is bent in lead um then there should

1454
01:29:17.990 --> 01:29:18.640
be a negative

1455
01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:25.440
couple and so I'm I don't know that it's going to be that significant from a

1456
01:29:25.440 --> 01:29:26.400
teaching perspective

1457
01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:34.140
it might be from just a pure you know thought puzzle curiosity thing but I don

1458
01:29:34.140 --> 01:29:34.560
't think it's

1459
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:38.320
going to change a whole lot as far as the movements I see and how to teach them

1460
01:29:38.320 --> 01:29:39.360
because the movements

1461
01:29:39.360 --> 01:29:44.660
I see are more based on the kinematics and my understanding of the forces not

1462
01:29:44.660 --> 01:29:45.760
necessarily trying

1463
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:51.520
to tell someone to try and apply a specific force pattern all right let me jump

1464
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:52.720
back to the power

1465
01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:56.000
point for the last couple of questions if you want to post anything there I'll

1466
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:56.960
check it after I've

1467
01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:07.700
answered the rest of these um okay whoops okay question I haven't seen Jim Fier

1468
01:30:07.700 --> 01:30:08.880
ich swing from

1469
01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:13.200
behind to observe the white movement but it would have would seem that he has a

1470
01:30:13.200 --> 01:30:14.320
lot of elbow showing

1471
01:30:14.320 --> 01:30:19.210
at the parallel position it looks like his right arm rides along for the ride I

1472
01:30:19.210 --> 01:30:20.240
know that there are

1473
01:30:20.240 --> 01:30:25.340
many ways to get it done but he and some others do it lack of external rotation

1474
01:30:25.340 --> 01:30:26.320
ability or some

1475
01:30:26.320 --> 01:30:29.600
other reason it looks it works very well for him and some others I asked this

1476
01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:30.640
because I have a junior

1477
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:35.170
player that has terrible external rotation ability and the white move is not in

1478
01:30:35.170 --> 01:30:36.240
his wheelhouse yet

1479
01:30:36.240 --> 01:30:42.000
so now again um let me switch it back to camera on this

1480
01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:52.640
so uh one of the so Jim Fierich um I know his 3d and one and he looks more like

1481
01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:53.360
one of those

1482
01:30:53.360 --> 01:30:58.940
examples who tends to have most of the white happening from the wrist and not

1483
01:30:58.940 --> 01:31:00.240
so much from the

1484
01:31:00.240 --> 01:31:06.490
shoulder so the the wipe is more of a direction so this you could see I could

1485
01:31:06.490 --> 01:31:08.480
be here and that is

1486
01:31:08.480 --> 01:31:15.000
wipe even though the shoulder doesn't look like it's going across like here so

1487
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:15.840
it might not be

1488
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:19.980
as much of the wipe from the trail shoulder it might not be as much of the

1489
01:31:19.980 --> 01:31:21.200
white from the lead

1490
01:31:21.200 --> 01:31:26.300
elbow but if the wrist if this is working more across that direction then it

1491
01:31:26.300 --> 01:31:27.360
still has a white

1492
01:31:27.360 --> 01:31:32.740
pattern uh so his is because he doesn't do it from the lead elbow and that arm

1493
01:31:32.740 --> 01:31:34.560
is more on the side

1494
01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:40.610
it it doesn't have the pronounced white look but when you see his and he gets

1495
01:31:40.610 --> 01:31:41.520
down here

1496
01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:46.800
you'll see this movement there that I'm doing this purely with that trail wrist

1497
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:47.440
going into a

1498
01:31:47.440 --> 01:31:51.520
little bit more radial and bringing the handle in the direction of the target

1499
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:52.880
so I can have the arm

1500
01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:57.890
on my side and still get a pretty good white movement um it's not going to be

1501
01:31:57.890 --> 01:31:59.120
quite as powerful

1502
01:31:59.120 --> 01:32:03.650
because it's not going to engage the shoulder blade um but I would still be

1503
01:32:03.650 --> 01:32:04.720
able to control

1504
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:08.790
low point and hit the ball reasonably uh solid and straight that way and that's

1505
01:32:08.790 --> 01:32:09.200
more or less

1506
01:32:09.200 --> 01:32:18.710
what Jim Fierick is doing with his wipe uh talked about that one talked about

1507
01:32:18.710 --> 01:32:20.560
that one

1508
01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:28.400
we talked about that one um so we discussed the uh alpha war

1509
01:32:28.400 --> 01:32:35.040
application of shot of mechanical force plane presentation from open forum four

1510
01:32:35.040 --> 01:32:40.140
that's a little bit more in depth so I'll save that for next time uh because I

1511
01:32:40.140 --> 01:32:41.040
want to kind of

1512
01:32:41.040 --> 01:32:48.180
wrap this up um I think I answered some of these last time but just in case I

1513
01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:49.040
'll run through

1514
01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:54.010
each of these and I'll actually start from the bottom and work my way up um so

1515
01:32:54.010 --> 01:32:56.000
let me get

1516
01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:59.840
combo

1517
01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:16.160
all right so when when would you not change a steep downswing I know it's a

1518
01:33:16.160 --> 01:33:16.800
little cut off

1519
01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:22.240
I clipped it wrong but when would you not change a steep downswing um I would

1520
01:33:22.240 --> 01:33:23.040
not change a steep

1521
01:33:23.040 --> 01:33:32.550
downswing um if they are are are comfortable so two things if driver accuracy

1522
01:33:32.550 --> 01:33:33.600
is not one of

1523
01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:39.460
their most important limitations then I would I'd be really resistant to

1524
01:33:39.460 --> 01:33:41.120
changing a steep downswing

1525
01:33:41.120 --> 01:33:48.340
so if they have a lot of club speed and they can control um their driver face

1526
01:33:48.340 --> 01:33:48.800
control

1527
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:53.330
because they're comfortable let's say not swinging out of their shoes with

1528
01:33:53.330 --> 01:33:54.560
their upper body

1529
01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:59.090
that's another reason I would not change a steep downswing um so I always tend

1530
01:33:59.090 --> 01:33:59.840
to go off of

1531
01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:04.850
skills and stats first and then come back to technique to drive their skills

1532
01:34:04.850 --> 01:34:05.600
and stats

1533
01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:10.440
the most important stat for me is um like I think if you're gonna dominate your

1534
01:34:10.440 --> 01:34:11.440
golf game you need

1535
01:34:11.440 --> 01:34:17.020
to be best good with your iron play um the driver will limit you know the

1536
01:34:17.020 --> 01:34:18.640
number of say doubles in

1537
01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:23.390
triples you'll have but you'll make more birdies and shoot lower scores if you

1538
01:34:23.390 --> 01:34:24.160
have really good

1539
01:34:24.160 --> 01:34:29.110
iron play and a steep downswing can have pretty good iron play the problem for

1540
01:34:29.110 --> 01:34:30.480
the steep downswing

1541
01:34:30.480 --> 01:34:36.400
usually becomes low point control or face control with the longer clubs so if

1542
01:34:36.400 --> 01:34:38.720
you if you struggle a bit

1543
01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:45.840
with um the two-way miss off the tee with your driver um that's gonna be a

1544
01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:46.480
problem

1545
01:34:46.480 --> 01:34:52.060
yeah also with the driver golfers who like I'll give you the classic example I

1546
01:34:52.060 --> 01:34:52.880
usually use is

1547
01:34:53.520 --> 01:35:00.050
john sendin versus phil Mickelson john sendin hits 65% of his fairways with a

1548
01:35:00.050 --> 01:35:00.960
steep very steep

1549
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:05.230
downswing he also has the capability of swinging in the low 120s and he swings

1550
01:35:05.230 --> 01:35:06.080
more in the low

1551
01:35:06.080 --> 01:35:11.090
teens so he has the mental constitution that he would prioritize keeping an in

1552
01:35:11.090 --> 01:35:11.920
play and he can

1553
01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:16.130
keep really good rhythm so the steep downswing doesn't become a problem phil

1554
01:35:16.130 --> 01:35:17.200
Mickelson has more

1555
01:35:17.200 --> 01:35:21.730
of a constitution than he wants to hit the ball far and so when he swings a

1556
01:35:21.730 --> 01:35:23.120
little bit faster his

1557
01:35:23.120 --> 01:35:28.150
face control gets a little bit worse and he sprays it miles off the planet so

1558
01:35:28.150 --> 01:35:29.920
if you are more of a

1559
01:35:29.920 --> 01:35:35.510
john sendin then I don't think you necessarily have to change your steep down

1560
01:35:35.510 --> 01:35:36.960
swing or if you have

1561
01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:43.010
some neck shoulder issue that makes it harder to do the the white movement I

1562
01:35:43.010 --> 01:35:44.080
might consider keeping

1563
01:35:44.080 --> 01:35:51.850
it if you had some some hip issues or maybe a lead knee issue that would make

1564
01:35:51.850 --> 01:35:53.360
it harder to

1565
01:35:53.360 --> 01:35:59.280
rotate the lower body I might consider it um how much power do the hands risk

1566
01:35:59.280 --> 01:36:00.640
and arms provide

1567
01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:09.050
in the downswing um the there's a the hard thing here is provide versus

1568
01:36:09.050 --> 01:36:09.920
transfer so if you look at

1569
01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:18.360
the speeds um the hands get moving about 25 26 miles per hour um but then they

1570
01:36:18.360 --> 01:36:19.840
're able to get the club

1571
01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:26.020
going 120 miles per hour from that position so one interesting stat is that

1572
01:36:26.020 --> 01:36:27.520
amateur hand speed

1573
01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:31.440
and pro hand speed isn't that much different but they're able to transfer a

1574
01:36:31.440 --> 01:36:33.040
whole lot more speed

1575
01:36:33.040 --> 01:36:36.510
I don't think it's necessarily developing the speed because otherwise the hands

1576
01:36:36.510 --> 01:36:37.200
would be moving

1577
01:36:37.200 --> 01:36:41.730
significantly faster but their technique allows them to use their risk in a way

1578
01:36:41.730 --> 01:36:42.400
where they can take

1579
01:36:42.400 --> 01:36:47.540
the handle speed and convert it into much faster club head speed and that's

1580
01:36:47.540 --> 01:36:49.440
that's much more what

1581
01:36:49.440 --> 01:36:55.020
uh pros tend to do the elite level pros is they maximize the handle speed to

1582
01:36:55.020 --> 01:36:56.000
the club head speed

1583
01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:01.590
ratio can you explain why some people would teach zero shaft rotation through

1584
01:37:01.590 --> 01:37:03.040
impact um I think

1585
01:37:03.040 --> 01:37:07.680
that's more of a feeling especially if you were a good golfer kind of really

1586
01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:09.280
you know old school

1587
01:37:09.280 --> 01:37:13.810
rolled the hands over um and then you learn to get the body rotation what i've

1588
01:37:13.810 --> 01:37:14.640
shown with the

1589
01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:19.380
supination and what we've seen with the shaft rotation stuff is that everybody

1590
01:37:19.380 --> 01:37:20.240
has some shaft

1591
01:37:20.240 --> 01:37:26.990
rotation it would be very hard to play if you didn't um and so it's absolutely

1592
01:37:26.990 --> 01:37:29.040
more of a feel um

1593
01:37:29.040 --> 01:37:36.080
we're still at an age where a lot of instructors would rather just comment on

1594
01:37:36.080 --> 01:37:36.560
this is what it

1595
01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:40.480
feels like i do so this is what you should do not trying to minimize a hook um

1596
01:37:40.480 --> 01:37:42.000
but it's definitely

1597
01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:48.960
not what actually happens what is the maximum amount of depth you want uh for

1598
01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:49.920
the

1599
01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:55.840
what is the maximum amount of depth you would want for the hands and left arm

1600
01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:57.200
in the backswing

1601
01:37:58.320 --> 01:38:06.960
um I so I don't necessarily think of that as far as you know a specific angle

1602
01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:08.960
but here's how I look

1603
01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:13.970
at it um if you start to get this arm too far across your body which would

1604
01:38:13.970 --> 01:38:15.520
create that depth

1605
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:20.390
you're going to over stretch the shoulder and create a possible impingement and

1606
01:38:20.390 --> 01:38:21.600
if you over stretch

1607
01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:26.440
that shoulder then it's going to be really hard to have some shoulder lag and

1608
01:38:26.440 --> 01:38:27.600
kind of increase it

1609
01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:31.920
and so what'll happen is that stretch shoulder will want to come out of stretch

1610
01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:32.720
and so it's more

1611
01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:37.370
likely that you're going to get steep and early with the arms uh possibly going

1612
01:38:37.370 --> 01:38:38.320
more like that

1613
01:38:38.320 --> 01:38:43.330
or at the very least if you've got them there um you'll come out of it quickly

1614
01:38:43.330 --> 01:38:43.920
like that it would

1615
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:50.650
be really hard to uh keep the the lag if it's a massive stretch and try to

1616
01:38:50.650 --> 01:38:51.920
increase it from

1617
01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:57.500
proper sequencing the other thing is that uh it's very it it's challenging to

1618
01:38:57.500 --> 01:38:58.880
keep this right arm

1619
01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:03.570
in front of your peck and get an incredible amount of depth otherwise you'd

1620
01:39:03.570 --> 01:39:05.840
have to have a ton of

1621
01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:12.320
a forearm rotation kind of like so so I think there's a limiting factor um as

1622
01:39:12.320 --> 01:39:12.880
far as what's

1623
01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:19.310
happening in the left shoulder but that's somewhat uh you know person specific

1624
01:39:19.310 --> 01:39:20.320
so some people can get

1625
01:39:20.320 --> 01:39:24.900
their elbow basically on their chest some people so you know have a ton of

1626
01:39:24.900 --> 01:39:26.880
flexibility there depending

1627
01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:30.170
on the size of the peck and the flexibility of the shoulder I think that's

1628
01:39:30.170 --> 01:39:31.280
going to have a big

1629
01:39:31.280 --> 01:39:37.400
impact on the actual depth in the backswing what are the ground forces that

1630
01:39:37.400 --> 01:39:40.160
cause shifting in rotation

1631
01:39:40.160 --> 01:39:54.320
on the backswing and downswing um so the uh the ground forces are there's three

1632
01:39:54.320 --> 01:39:54.800
different ground

1633
01:39:54.800 --> 01:40:00.640
force patterns so you've got vertical rotation and side to side and there's um

1634
01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:01.680
essentially

1635
01:40:01.680 --> 01:40:08.070
a blend of those three at different points during the swing uh the one of the

1636
01:40:08.070 --> 01:40:09.280
more important factors

1637
01:40:09.280 --> 01:40:14.280
is in transition so um as you end the backswing and start the downswing it's

1638
01:40:14.280 --> 01:40:15.440
going to be more of

1639
01:40:15.440 --> 01:40:20.310
that lateral and rotational less vertical and then once you get kind of midway

1640
01:40:20.310 --> 01:40:21.440
into that downswing

1641
01:40:21.440 --> 01:40:27.020
right around here it's going to go into more of the vertical of the lead foot

1642
01:40:27.020 --> 01:40:29.600
um so those two seem

1643
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:34.360
to be the more more common pattern but to be fair I only have uh pressure

1644
01:40:34.360 --> 01:40:36.000
plates at my place and I

1645
01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:42.380
don't use them um I don't use them in every single lesson for sure uh so um as

1646
01:40:42.380 --> 01:40:43.360
far as the

1647
01:40:43.360 --> 01:40:48.070
magnitudes of those I'd have to do a little bit more research but one of my one

1648
01:40:48.070 --> 01:40:49.120
of my new favorite

1649
01:40:49.120 --> 01:40:57.560
drills for the the wipe um so I use the low to high I use the hit my arms I use

1650
01:40:57.560 --> 01:41:00.640
uh I use that um

1651
01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:05.740
resisted and basically feeling like I'm rotating more that way I use the grip

1652
01:41:05.740 --> 01:41:06.880
throws and medicine

1653
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:11.660
ball toss um so I use things where I'm throwing it that way whether it's with

1654
01:41:11.660 --> 01:41:12.880
the right arm or

1655
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:17.420
with the left arm where I'm basically if the golf ball is here I'm trying to

1656
01:41:17.420 --> 01:41:18.880
throw it ahead of the

1657
01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:23.210
golf ball in the direction of the target um there's two main things that you'll

1658
01:41:23.210 --> 01:41:24.080
have to train when

1659
01:41:24.080 --> 01:41:28.610
you're working on the wipe one is the position and two is the timing the

1660
01:41:28.610 --> 01:41:30.000
position is how do I

1661
01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:34.110
control the club face and low point and then the timing is how do I wait long

1662
01:41:34.110 --> 01:41:35.280
enough for the arms

1663
01:41:35.280 --> 01:41:41.440
to extend later um while still feeling like I'm I'm using power being powerful

1664
01:41:41.440 --> 01:41:43.200
uh so the drill that

1665
01:41:43.200 --> 01:41:48.500
I'll create a video for this week for you guys is uh as a case study is um

1666
01:41:48.500 --> 01:41:49.680
using one of my new

1667
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:54.720
favorite drills which is taking a putter so I don't have that here but taking a

1668
01:41:54.720 --> 01:41:56.560
putter and placing it

1669
01:41:56.560 --> 01:42:02.140
using the relationship of where the club is compared to the chest right so the

1670
01:42:02.140 --> 01:42:03.120
more that I'm

1671
01:42:03.120 --> 01:42:07.650
going to have some of this lag the more that the club is behind my chest or

1672
01:42:07.650 --> 01:42:08.960
parallel to my chest

1673
01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:12.530
like this the more that I use the couple the more that it's going to be out in

1674
01:42:12.530 --> 01:42:13.520
front of my chest

1675
01:42:14.080 --> 01:42:21.920
so for this because I'll use a putter because golfers seem to be less um less

1676
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:24.560
uh hit happy in

1677
01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:28.720
trying to really use the arms they're comfortable kind of hitting a putter

1678
01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:31.600
softly and and feeling

1679
01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:35.300
that club face and not wanting to necessarily add lock like there's there seems

1680
01:42:35.300 --> 01:42:36.160
to be a few things

1681
01:42:36.160 --> 01:42:39.630
that happen when you have an old putter and you do the drill so I'll have them

1682
01:42:39.630 --> 01:42:40.400
get in their golf

1683
01:42:40.400 --> 01:42:46.690
posture bring the club back lower this down a bit bring the club back to there

1684
01:42:46.690 --> 01:42:47.680
with the putter

1685
01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:53.600
and then I'll have them just try and use body rotation while keeping the club

1686
01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:54.960
back uh parallel

1687
01:42:54.960 --> 01:43:02.530
to the chest and basically hit like 20 foot putts um so I've done this uh

1688
01:43:02.530 --> 01:43:04.640
actually like hitting at

1689
01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:09.510
a hole so they have to have a certain level of face and and path control um and

1690
01:43:09.510 --> 01:43:10.320
you'll start

1691
01:43:10.320 --> 01:43:14.850
to see the sequencing improve I use that mostly for working on the timing of

1692
01:43:14.850 --> 01:43:16.320
how late the arms are

1693
01:43:16.320 --> 01:43:23.050
going to um extend and then when I start to get into um applying it with the

1694
01:43:23.050 --> 01:43:24.560
actual golf club

1695
01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:30.480
I'll have them take that that pattern they were just doing with the the putter

1696
01:43:30.480 --> 01:43:31.200
and grab like a

1697
01:43:31.200 --> 01:43:36.870
seven iron and more through there um and then what'll usually happen is they

1698
01:43:36.870 --> 01:43:37.840
can do the white

1699
01:43:37.840 --> 01:43:41.740
movement pretty well on nine threes the nine to three is great for training the

1700
01:43:41.740 --> 01:43:42.560
white because

1701
01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:50.990
as a starting position if I have the club more in this shaft parallel position

1702
01:43:50.990 --> 01:43:51.840
it doesn't make a

1703
01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:55.620
whole lot of sense for me to throw it down this doesn't feel quite as powerful

1704
01:43:55.620 --> 01:43:56.560
as pulling with my

1705
01:43:56.560 --> 01:44:03.080
body at this point well I'm basically I'm going from I'm starting from zero and

1706
01:44:03.080 --> 01:44:04.160
I'm in a position

1707
01:44:04.160 --> 01:44:07.970
where if I apply force along the shaft of the club it's going to go in the

1708
01:44:07.970 --> 01:44:09.680
direction of the target

1709
01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:15.190
it's gonna I'm gonna have to almost do a wipe so if I wanted to hit this hard

1710
01:44:15.190 --> 01:44:16.240
on a nine to three

1711
01:44:16.240 --> 01:44:20.400
which is one way I like to work on the wipe then I would have to go in the

1712
01:44:20.400 --> 01:44:21.920
right direction I wouldn't

1713
01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:26.800
be able to hit it really hard from just here just by flipping my wrist also I

1714
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:27.760
wouldn't be able to

1715
01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:33.340
hit it very solidly I use probably the low low to high idea and then hit my

1716
01:44:33.340 --> 01:44:35.920
arms more than anything

1717
01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:40.710
and then if I have specific issues with the arms and the release I go through

1718
01:44:40.710 --> 01:44:42.560
there once I can do a

1719
01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:48.560
control face and path with a waist height 93 then it's going into transition

1720
01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:51.040
that's where I like the

1721
01:44:51.040 --> 01:44:54.800
rope training that I've been using now hopefully you guys have been using some

1722
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of it too that's a

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good way to get people feeling this more in the direction of the target less

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than the direction

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of the golf ball I'll do lower body pivot drills and trying to use the body to

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move the hands

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and then there's this little kind of float move that I'll tend to do as part of

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transition

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which is kind of like the supported wipe or part of those throws or the last

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one I'll use is

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kind of delivery and go where basically it presets some of this movement here

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and then I'll take it

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into a delivery pump so basically pumping down into this position and breaking

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up that little

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transition point where most people go too much couple and not enough, not

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enough white.