Dual External Rotation, Knee Anatomy, and Transition Case Studies

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on the 3d side we are going to look at the idea of dual external rotation where

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basically the discussing the look of golfers you tend to get more kind of

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knees spread apart the same squat same steam squat versus golfers you tend to

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have a little bit more of a movement where everything kind of drifts so we're

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gonna look at that as it relates to 3d graphs get hopefully a clearer idea of

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what's going on there anatomy we're going to take a look at some basic knee

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anatomy so not the super advanced fascia stuff but we'll look at the joint and

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the muscles and the implications for golf and we'll briefly discuss if you're

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working with a client who has a knee replacement what are some possible things

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that you have to consider and then we've got of just a couple questions and we

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got a few swings to take a look at so shouldn't be a terribly long call unless

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there's a whole bunch of live questions but let's get into the fun topic here

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so

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let me switch that over all right so what will I've got five different pro

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swings

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and then two different amateur swings and for the pro swings I wanted you to be

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able to visualize it so I'm gonna let the five swings kind of play through so

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you'll see it switch over try not to guess or type in the chat if you think

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you know who it is but I'll go kind of at regular speed and then a little bit

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of frame by frame there and we'll jump back and forth after we look at the

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graphs so this is one of the classic examples for looking at kind of dual

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external rotation right getting into that really wide Sam's the squat look and

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then we've got a couple others who are let's say more kind of in the middle and

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then we'll end with one more who has a really classic look of the dual

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external rotation but while we're going through this if you're if you're on go

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ahead and type in the in the chat just so I kind of have an idea of who's who's

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listening in where the questions might be coming from so here we have good and

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then this is the last golfer believe kind of has that classic look of the

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lead leg moving away from the trail leg in transition so there you can see

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lead leg doesn't look like it moves a whole lot trail leg moving away from it

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okay so now we're gonna go through each of these golfers and I'll I'll go back

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and and kind of play them in between looking at each cluster but I got a

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handful of graphs that we'll look at that all relate to this idea of the knee

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and the hip and the ankle creating that look of dual external rotation so I'll

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just go through the graphs first and then we'll we'll talk about each golfer

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of as a whole so I guess I'll start down here at the bottom so this is internal

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versus external hip rotation when the graph goes positive or up it's going

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into internal rotation and when it goes negative it's going into external

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rotation we'll see that this is even though it's described as an external

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rotation of the lead knee often we'll see that this is one of the least useful

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graphs for diagnosing that pattern okay so now if we jump up top here we've got

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hip ABduction ADduction so ABduction is if it's going negative which is the

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basically like doing the splits so the the hip is opening up and then AD

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ADduction is when the knees are coming closer together coming towards the

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midline and that's if it's going positive and we've got knee sway so

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basically looking at the horizontal displacement towards or away from the

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target as the golfer is going through the swing in all of these cases I believe

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the green line is the trail hip and the red line is the lead knee or hip I

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should

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say then we're looking at knee bend this is an interesting graph to look at we

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talk a little bit about this especially with one of the amateurs or actually

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both of the amateurs so looking at the trail knee as the green line possibly

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having a little bit of bend and then or sorry straightening a little bit when

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goes negative it's straightening when it goes positive it is bending more so

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we'll address this pattern and then looking at hip flexion extension so

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you'll see usually an inverse pair in transition and then we'll talk about

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what happens a little bit in the downswing knee separation is when they talk

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about getting your hips or your knees away from each other knee separation

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be the absolute measurement of the distance between your knees now it's in

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3d space so you could keep them the same distance apart but they would look

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like

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they increased from a face on camera view or vice versa but this is just

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looking at the actual 3d space between the knees and then the last graph graph

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is looking at the ankle and looking at the pronation supination so we covered

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that a little bit we covered the motion in last month's call but this month we

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gonna look at the graph as it relates to this knee separation because it's

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actually one of the most important ones for looking at lead hip the look of

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external rotation okay so now let's let's jump through these again this is what

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we'll do for each golfer we'll let it play so here we go so this is the first

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example you'll see in transition it's kind of a little bit of you might call

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it a rotation you'll see the pelvis looks like it rotates into the thigh the

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trail knee comes with it a little bit and then it starts to get into a vertical

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movement okay so now here's that pattern so the the trail hip during the back

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swing

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is going to go into internal rotation and then briefly before the top of the

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swing it will start to go into external rotation that will continue all the way

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through impact the lead knee is going to go into external rotation during the

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backswing reaching close to its maximum range and then right around the same

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time as the pelvis changes direction the hip is going to go into or start

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working towards internal rotation doesn't actually reach internal rotation

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until after impact but it's moving internally what you'll see here is down

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near impact there'll be a blip where it goes external that's usually when the

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golfer's lead leg is off the ground and so the foot now is able to pivot

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without friction holding it back but you'll you'll see that once the pelvis

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starts to rotate towards the target you'll have to have this pattern of lead

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hip internal trail hip external especially because you're reaching near

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maximum range of motion with that lead hip as you approach the top of the

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backswing so what we'll see through the five graphs or the five pro examples is

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that this is one of the least indicative of the actual dual external rotation

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okay now if we look at abduction adduction this is another one that golfer's

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would commonly associate with the the look of dual external rotation if we look

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at the trail hip it's going to be adducting because basically the the pelvis

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is moving towards the leg and then during the downswing you're gonna see

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it abduct or move away we're gonna see basically the opposite pattern with a

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slight variation in the timing of when it goes from from abduction to adduction

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but you'll see that during pretty much the entire downswing that lead leg is

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going into a significant amount of adduction this one has some interesting

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characteristics but similar to internal external it's that it definitely doesn

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tell a whole lot of the story if we jump down diagonally knee separation will

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give us a good estimate of that look so the golfers who have more of that squat

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look you will see an increase in the space between the knees now remember it's

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3d space so some of that is coming from the rotation of the pelvis where if one

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leg stays in place and the other leg is following more of the rotation of the

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pelvis those will tend to in get further apart now the two most interesting for

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this pattern are actually looking at the knee bend and the ankle pronation

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supination so if we look at the lead knee or the lead leg I should say then

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we'll see during the the backswing is that the lead foot is actually going to

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supinate slightly and then during transition it's going to pronate so I'll

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bring my camera real quick so when we're looking at the foot basically during

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the

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backswing it's actually supinating a little bit like this and then during the

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downswing this golfer is actually going to roll that foot in and it's pretty

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significant 10 15 degrees or so so if you if you can see my leg my left leg

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right here when I roll that foot in as my pelvis is going to turn that's gonna

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create the look of more internal rotation but that and that are pretty much the

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same I'm kind of holding this in place so that I have a good reference that's

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the same amount of internal rotation of the hip but I was moving my knee from

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the

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ankle going into pronation or supination what we'll see with the two golfers

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who

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have more of the pronounced external rotation look is that they're gonna go

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into supination of the trail foot where the golfers who have more of that

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internal rotation look go into pronation of that lead ankle so let's go back to

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where you can see my mouse okay so it's a really clear either this line is

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going

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down therefore it's pronating or it's going up therefore it's supinating

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trail ankle doesn't have as clear pattern but because it's very hard to

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supinate a ton when you're shifting your pelvis to the left but we'll focus

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primarily on the knee on the lead leg there and then we'll talk about knee

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bends they they have a little bit of an impact on the the look of internal

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external but they're just more of a good pattern to start understanding because

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this is where you'll see a fair amount of the difference between the pros and

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amps so the normal pattern is straighten a little bit in the backswing bend we

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looking at the trail knee straighten a bit in the backswing increase the flex

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past where it was to start in the early downswing and then straighten late and

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you'll see both legs and this particular golfer very close to straight when he

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actually making contact with a golf ball okay so now we'll jump into the second

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one let's see how well we and the second one is one of the golfers who is

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classically used as an example of the dual external rotation so you'll see

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the space between the legs really increasing and they are definitely the

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space between the legs is definitely increasing okay so that was option number

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two here are option number two or pro number two's graph so if we look at

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internal versus external what you'll actually see is this golfer who looks

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like he's going into massive external rotation is actually going into internal

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rotation much earlier than the golfer who didn't have the same look so that's

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kind of one of the optical illusions if you're just looking at where the knee

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pointing and using that as a reference as to what the the hip is doing if we

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look at abduction adduction you'll see even though it looks like that lead leg

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is pulling away and going into more abduction you can see that it's actually

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slightly moving towards adduction it's not moving at a great rate but it's

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moving towards adduction okay if we go over to the pronation supination graph

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when we look at the lead ankle so the red line you'll see that as he changes

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direction that lead leg or that lead ankle is going into almost 15 degrees of

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supination if I click back so you can compare you can see there's a big

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difference between the red line going down and the red line going up and they

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going about the same amount the same magnitude but in totally opposite

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opposite directions so in one sense the that lead foot is driving where the

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knee

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is going more so than what this golfer is doing with the hip and you can also

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see that there is a difference between what's happening with the trail ankle so

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the golfer who is going more in into the less external direction that lead or

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sorry that trail ankle is going into supination where here it's going

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slightly into pronation or pretty much staying closer to the same it really

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doesn't start pronating until later in the downswing but the lead ankle going

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into supination is something that you'll classically see with the golfers who

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have that dual external rotation look more so than the hip ABA deduction or

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internal external rotation or flexion extension I'm not really even talking

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about flexion extension because it's a really minor part of this equation

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typically basically in order to rotate you would have to have one hip going

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into extension and one hip going into flexion so you'll typically see these

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two going together when or going in slightly opposite directions when it's

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rotating and then you'll see them both go into extension as they're applying

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of the vertical force but this pattern this graph you'll see if I just quickly

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jump through all five of them you'll see the magnitudes are slightly different

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but the overall pattern is fairly consistent even with the higher handicap

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golfers you rarely see a huge deviation there okay so back to the important one

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of the you know looking at more of the knee separation the left leg looking

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it goes into external rotation the other piece to look at is the knee bend

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here so you'll tend to see that part of what creates that separation look is

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lead knee going into more of a extension position or starting to

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straighten as it's going into the change direction as the trail leg is

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bending more as opposed to with the golfer who had more of the internal

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rotation look you would see that the lead knee was actually bending more so

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getting an earlier straightening of that leg with the supination is going to

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create

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that giant squat look or the increase in the distance between the knees there's

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some other things going on in terms of rotation but these are the the core too

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okay so now if we jump to the third golfer so that's the second golfer we'll

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try

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to do a better job paying attention to the timestamp so I can jump right to it

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next time okay so he's at 41 all right so we'll watch this one this is a very

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good ball striker you'll see it's kind of got a little bit more of almost

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where it's it doesn't have a really big squat separation look but it also you

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know that might look like it's going in internal rotation by some but it doesn

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look like the trail leg is coming along in the early stages it it comes along a

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little bit later okay okay so looking at that golfer we're gonna jump to his

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graphs and move a little bit quicker so we'll see again that usually when it

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looks like it's going into external rotation it's actually going into internal

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rotation quicker or earlier and then if we look at the ankle we saw again with

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the external rotation look it's gonna have more of going positive or supination

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the golfer is having more of the pronated look that's probably if you just

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needed one graph to look at that knee separation look other than looking at

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knee separation this would be the one that would tell you most clearly what

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their legs are gonna look like or what their knees are going to look like in

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transition now this golfer also you'll see has a fair amount of lead knee bend

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transition and that typically keeps the knees closer together then if the lead

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knee starts to straighten earlier if we look at the abduction adduction this

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golfer is actually at abducting the leg so you would think that you would have

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more of a increase but because of what's happening at the ankle and what's

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happening at the flex in the trail knee those knees are staying closer together

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so it has more of that kind of less of the dual external rotation squat look

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that

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squat comes from straightening that lead knee supinating that lead foot and

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those

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are the the main two that you'll see more so than the adduction more so than

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that internal rotation so nothing else major to note here so we'll we'll move

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on the one of the interesting things about we're gonna come after we go

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through the pros we'll compare the amateurs and you'll see that while the

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knees have some interesting looks in the backswing that trail knee almost

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always

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is around 15 to 20 degrees closer to 15 degrees at the top of the swing there

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there are some outliers but we're gonna talk about why that 15 degree bend in

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the knee is important at the top of the swing that's gonna be one of your big

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takeaways to start paying attention to when you're looking at your students leg

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action okay so we'll move on to the fourth one what's right about here okay

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so this golfer is kind of more in the middle all right so if I go back and

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replay that so this golfer here is not really a massive squat look it but it's

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not really a massive internal rotation look either all right that'll be the

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last one we'll look at there okay so if we go to this second to last one you'll

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see when the knee graph is fairly flat they got a little bit further away from

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each other and you'll see if you look at the lead ankle through transition it's

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fairly flat it's neither going massively positive or massively negative like we

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saw with the two examples of kind of the internal versus external rotation look

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so when it's flatter like that it's gonna tend to have more of the look of

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neither it's kind of in the hybrid zone but you'll see if we look at the two

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that

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are classically associated with it internal external rotation pretty much

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has the same pattern that we were seeing with the other two ABduction ADX

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you're gonna see again pretty much that mere pattern similar to what you'll see

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with internal external rotation it's just really hard to have functional pelvis

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movement and deviate too much from that pattern but you can have pretty big

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differences in what's going on with the ankles and you can have pretty big

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differences as far as what's going on with the knees you'll see that this gol

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fer

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has a interesting quirk where the trail knee stays close to the same amount of

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flex during the entire swing a little bit of straightening in the backswing but

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relatively smaller piece and valleys compared to all the other ones that we

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were looking at but you will see in that 15 to 20 degree range at the top of

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the

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swing that is one of the I'd say my big takeaways when you're looking at the

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trail leg and it's well when we get in the anatomy we'll talk about it but it's

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critical for activation okay and then he has a little bit more of the knee

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bending

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in transition before straightening but pretty pronounced straightening during

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the noun swing again not nothing too crazy there let's look at the last

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example who's got more of a strong dual external rotation look so there's a

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little bit more of a strong dual external rotation look you'll see as he's

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changing direction space between the knees is getting wider it looks like the

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knee would be pointing kind of out this way towards the camera but so it would

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look like it was going into external rotation but we know that that's not

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gonna be the case when we look at the relationship between the pelvis and the

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thigh so if you if you look at it again when you're really zoomed in like this

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you will see that the pelvis is winning the race and catching up with the thigh

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and that's pretty much what you'll see if you learn to train your eyes to see

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it

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on video as well so here's the internal external rotation that lead leg is

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going

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into internal rotation even though the knee is pointing more outward and then

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you'll see because he comes off the ground he has a fair amount of this

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little secondary dip or going into external down through impact that's where

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the foot is come off the ground so the foot is actually turning out or pivoting

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outward so the leg is going into more external rotation there and he's got a

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little bit later transition from abduction to adduction but it's still

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right around top of the swing so you can see that the knee separation is

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happening for a good amount during the downswing much further than we're seeing

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just that abduction versus adduction so we wouldn't be able to a trap a tribute

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the difference in the knee to what's going on with that lead hip but if we

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look at the ankles you'll see right around top of the swing now he's going

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into a little less than the second golfer but he's going into the supination

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pattern that's going to have a big impact in pulling the knee away and then he

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has

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again he's right around that 15 degree mark at the top of the swing and then

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flexes both knees with kind of that unweighting move before a pretty

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powerful straightening of both of the legs okay so I didn't get the video of

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the amateurs but now you'll you'll see this is a higher handicap kind of

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slicer and you'll see it's only with the high handicappers that you'll tend to

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see the possibility of the lead hip going more external and that's because

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typically with the high handicappers or occasionally with the high handicappers

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the club is changing direction before the pelvis but if you compared this to

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when the pelvis actually changes direction it's always gonna line up now

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if we look at the ankle you'll you'll tend to see he's he's got that squat

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look he's kind of looks like a you're all demonstrated real quick so he would

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look kind of more like a like a throw over the top that way so he does get a

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little bit of the widening of the shoulders but he tends to get really

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over the over the top and then have to throw the more interesting thing is if

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you look at the knee bends you'll see the trail knee is increasing flex

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increasing

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flex increasing flex increasing flex he's basically just bending and digging

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that foot into the ground and then spinning like crazy there's a lot less

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of the vertical action that we saw in more the classic pattern and you'll see

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he's got his leg bent 25 degrees at the top of the swing or maybe even more

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that's

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more than needed and we'll talk about why some golfers might have more knee

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bend

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at the top of swing than less but these two graphs especially the knee bend are

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probably more relevant at looking at lower body action than looking at either

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the hip internal external or abduction adduction and that was one of the big

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takeaways that I wanted you to take away from this 3d section now here's the

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here's another high handicap this is a golfer who gets more hooks and if we

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jump over to the knee bend graph you'll see this golfer is well below so this

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is

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a golfer who looks like he pretty much locks his leg almost looks like a

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reverse pivot at the top of the swing so I know that some golf instructors talk

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about straightening the leg as much as possible you'll see even on the the golf

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ers

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the pro golfers who straighten the leg during the backswing it will regain some

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of that flex at the top of the swing in order to use the glute properly and you

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'll

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see why when we look at the anatomy but basically in order to have the maximum

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tension through the fascia around the glute you need about 15 degrees of bend

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of the knee so neither of these two golfers are really using their their

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glutes they're tending to either use more of their back and their shoulders in

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this case or in this case he's tending to use more of his quad and his knee so

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this graph over here on the right is is quite important unfortunately I don't

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have a ton of the amateur examples because I don't have a 12 sensor I only

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have the eight but that's a very interesting graph if you as we get more

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sensor technology or if you have access to a 12 sensor or total body that one's

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pretty interesting now I've seen through through R3D on AMM I've seen an an

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average of about the trail leg straightening about eight degrees I know that I

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saw someone with gears talking about them seeing it increase three degrees and

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that could be just the difference in terms of the measurement systems I tend

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to for the body I tend to trust the electromagnetic that we use versus the

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the gears or or matter something like that but just because it's measurement

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versus projected angles I think it's a little bit more accurate but the big

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takeaway

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is if you want that look of dual external rotation then we need to get the lead

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foot to supinate in transition not pronate that will encourage some of the

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pelvis rotation without having too much of the slide but I wanted to include

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the

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knee bend graph so that we would have a smooth transition into what we're gonna

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cover next which is the anatomy okay the knee is classically described as a

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simple hinge there are but we're gonna talk about why that's maybe not the

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best description so there are three main there are three bones that make up the

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knee you've got the femur the patella or the kneecap and then the tibia or the

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shin the the shin or the lower limb also includes the fibula but that does not

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that's usually not considered part of the knee that's usually more of the ankle

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so these three bones right here now there's a bunch of muscles and we're not

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gonna cover all of them because that would be pretty hard to do and it it you

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it's probably better to just think about like okay if this is my if this is my

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thigh you almost want to divide it into four four sections so you've got kind

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of

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a top side these are your quads on the outside you have a couple smaller

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muscles

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but one really big tight band your your it band or your tractus ileo tibialis

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and then on the inside you've got your adductors these are quite important for

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golf and then on the backside here you've got your hamstring group so you've

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got

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six quads and five hamster or five sorry adductors three hamstrings and then a

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couple muscles on the side of the leg but the reason we say it's not just a

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hinge joint is the the human knee actually has all six degrees of movement now

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it tends to have very limited amount of the slide those are more micro

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movements

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but it does have a fair amount of rotation in each direction so you can

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get the the knee flexion extension going this way it just broke his leg you can

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get rotation which we'll talk about and then you can get if we're looking at it

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face-on valgus or raris or tilt and those are those are the really the

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important movement so it looks more like this you've got your flexion extension

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moving in this direction you've got valgus and varis so the leg could either

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cave in dive in or it could bow outward and then you've got rotation of the

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thigh

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and rotation of the lower limb knee rotation is the rotation of the foot or

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the lower limb compared to the upper limb so usually if the femur was fixed

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where does the foot then point okay muscle wise you've got a handful of

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muscles that bend the knee mostly your quads or sorry that mostly your

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hamstring

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group and then the extension of the knee or straightening the knee is more of

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your quad activity and then you've got medial lateral rotation this particular

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slide doesn't talk about the valgus varis but basically if we go back to this

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slide the ones that pull the knee more into valgus would be the inside of the

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thigh or the adductors and the ones that pull it into sorry that pull it into

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valgus would be the outside of the leg which would pull the knee inward or the

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one that pulls it into varis would be more the inside of the leg now as a golf

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instructor you don't have to know the detailed anatomy but it's good to be

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able to understand when a golfer talks to you about either having an MCL issue

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or having a meniscus surgery this is this is what they're talking about so

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you've got your the patella has been removed so it's easier to see or actually

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we're looking at it from the yeah the front side of the right knee because of

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where the fibio's so the meniscus are these two little kind of horseshoe shaped

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cartilage enclosures and what they do if you look from the top down they're

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almost like like extra cushioning and so when you're when you're the ball of

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the

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femur is sitting in there they kind of cup it so then if I start to push on the

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side instead of having nothing to stop me from sliding there's a little bit of

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an edge there that edge when I push down into it increases the surface area so

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then I don't create quite as much stress on one particular area but when your

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golfer is talking about either I had a medial meniscus tear that would be this

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half over here or a lateral meniscus tear that would be over here and then

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anterior would be towards the front of the body or posterior would be towards

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the back of the body and typically what'll happen is the movement opposite to

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where the terrors will cause pain so when when we're looking at it like this

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you

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can imagine if the if the thigh was to say was gonna push towards the front or

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towards the camera this way then it would increase the pressure in this

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cartilage entrapment in the backside and vice versa so it's almost like a disc

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where it when you push one direction the pressure builds up on the other side

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now

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so that's the meniscus the other key component to the knee is looking at these

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ligaments and they basically act like like string or plastic that hold it

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together so you could see if I was to bow the leg out like this then this side

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here this that would be connecting these two so where my thumbs are that would

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be placed under tension or stress and if I went this way between the pinky side

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would be placed under tension or stress so for most knee injuries if you can

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keep the knee more in neutral especially when you're pushing vertically pushing

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a lot of force through it it's going to tend to be better for the overall

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structure so here's another picture just kind of showing the little sponge

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those

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meniscus in between and then here you can get a little better view of the ACL

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and the the PCL so you've got the medial MCL and then the lateral and then the

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anterior and posterior cruciate ligament which means crosses and they

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basically kind of look like this so if you take your middle finger and cross

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it over your front finger and then you put that up against your knee so the ACL

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is on top it goes from the outside across this way and then the PCL goes

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more runs it a direction more towards the outside of the leg like that and

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basically when they get stressed that's when they can potentially tear or cause

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injuries so for example this is the test for assessing the ACL so the ACL

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coming across like this if I if I pull the bottom further away from the top

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that's gonna lengthen that ligament and so if that ligament is damaged I'll be

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able to pull this more than I should be able to so when your golfers have

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ligament issues they can tend to cause really sharp pains and they'll tend to

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kind of like come out of I don't want to say come out of nowhere but it's like

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everything's fine everything's fine and then oh man I heard a lot and then it

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00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:18.000
either lingers or goes away but it kind of comes out of nowhere so the most

454
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:23.600
important part of that we'll cover here in a section or in a second so how that

455
00:40:23.600 --> 00:40:30.640
applies to the golf swing in the golfers you're gonna be working with and how

456
00:40:30.640 --> 00:40:35.760
that relates to some of those three graphs that we looked at okay so now we

457
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:42.000
get back to these core movements and looking at the relationship of these the

458
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:48.000
cool thing about the knee is it's a good way of looking at the movement of a

459
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:54.880
whole lower limb got a slide here coming up in a bit that will help tie that in

460
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.440
together but there are related movements of what will happen at the hip and

461
00:40:59.440 --> 00:40:59.640
what

462
00:40:59.640 --> 00:41:04.200
will happen at the ankle and the knee in the middle if you see the movement

463
00:41:04.200 --> 00:41:04.440
going

464
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.240
in one direction or the other that can kind of give you a sense of what's

465
00:41:07.240 --> 00:41:11.570
happening at either the ankle or the hip or help out with that but these are

466
00:41:11.570 --> 00:41:11.640
the

467
00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:17.080
classic movements flexion extension valgus verus or abduction

468
00:41:17.080 --> 00:41:25.720
adduction and then internal external rotation of the tibia now the cool thing

469
00:41:25.720 --> 00:41:33.000
about the knee this is part of the reason why so the knee is not a hinge in any

470
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:38.560
sense of the way more you know your elbow is close to a hinge it pretty much

471
00:41:38.560 --> 00:41:43.800
moves exclusively in this direction the knee has rotation and the side bending

472
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:50.200
and when it does hinge this slide here is the show that it's not actually like

473
00:41:50.200 --> 00:41:50.240
a

474
00:41:50.240 --> 00:41:54.640
hinge like this there's actually a sliding movement now one of the

475
00:41:54.640 --> 00:41:58.960
questions about the knee was what happens when you get a knee replacement

476
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:06.760
typically that sliding movement goes away so the instead of it sliding as it

477
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:13.560
pivots like this it will now just kind of become more of a hinge so while there

478
00:42:13.560 --> 00:42:18.360
aren't too many contraindications for golf some of the movement patterns can

479
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:23.280
change a little bit and golfers might not feel quite as comfortable with it

480
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:30.360
that's usually the bigger thing that you have to address looking at so this is

481
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.480
the extension when it moves in the opposite direction so as the bone slides

482
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:42.920
this way it rolls that way so as it slides posterior it rolls anterior or

483
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:50.820
basically this is what's happening when the leg is going into extension now we

484
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:57.040
made it look pretty simple when we looked at the bone but those two called

485
00:42:57.040 --> 00:43:02.320
condyles the the surface area for how the the knee bones fit together are not

486
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:08.480
symmetrical so they're on a little bit of an angle and one of them is bigger

487
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.000
than the other so this the joint is designed to kind of flex the knee pretty

488
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.200
straight but imagine trying to drive a car straight if you had a car that had

489
00:43:19.200 --> 00:43:25.720
one small wheel and one big wheel so it kind of has to regulate these two the

490
00:43:25.720 --> 00:43:34.920
the rates that they turn and the the surface on the bottom is pretty flat but

491
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:39.680
the surface or the axis of rotation as you see from this little truncated cone

492
00:43:39.680 --> 00:43:45.320
becomes a little bit of an angle so as a result you actually get a little bit

493
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:45.440
of

494
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:52.080
rotation with bending and straightening the leg classically when you straighten

495
00:43:52.080 --> 00:43:58.400
the leg in order to lock it out the foot will actually at the end the last 20

496
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:03.360
degrees which in this position I can't actually get into when you lock out the

497
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:08.040
leg it will go into external rotation and then when you flex the leg it will go

498
00:44:08.040 --> 00:44:14.440
into internal rotation so that's why when you see someone walking that foot

499
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:15.520
will

500
00:44:15.520 --> 00:44:21.720
tend to swing out behind and out to the side just a little bit that's the

501
00:44:21.720 --> 00:44:23.120
natural

502
00:44:23.120 --> 00:44:28.880
internal rotation associated with flexion of the knee so the interesting

503
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:32.840
thing is when the knee is more flexed it has more range of motion rotationally

504
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.000
when you straighten it it tends to lock in place so that you don't have to use

505
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.640
your muscles to hold yourself up if you're standing for a long period of time

506
00:44:40.640 --> 00:44:46.440
now where that comes in is if you were to totally straighten the leg you would

507
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:53.110
lose a significant amount of rotation at the knee so I know some golf

508
00:44:53.110 --> 00:44:53.560
instructors

509
00:44:53.560 --> 00:44:58.560
advocate fully straightening the leg or trying to straighten the leg but there

510
00:44:58.560 --> 00:45:02.640
is a point where you get past that 20 degree mark and now you start to lose

511
00:45:02.640 --> 00:45:07.640
rotation it's rotation of the knee and not the hip or the pelvis but it's still

512
00:45:07.640 --> 00:45:11.920
losing rotation so you don't want to advocate straightening the leg past that

513
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:19.200
15 20 degree mark the other piece we'll get to here in a second so this was a

514
00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:24.000
interesting slide I just thought you could kind of it would help you envision

515
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.280
why the knee has its shape and look the way that it does it's almost like a

516
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:33.440
column where instead of having two poles sitting on top like this you've got a

517
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:38.240
much broader surface area so for a structure that has to actually support

518
00:45:38.240 --> 00:45:42.560
a fair amount of weight they made it wider at the connection point so that

519
00:45:42.560 --> 00:45:48.080
you have greater surface area and the the bone actually has these almost like

520
00:45:48.080 --> 00:45:53.800
rebar in concrete and those need to line up that's how force goes through in

521
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:53.920
the

522
00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:00.800
most kind of economical way so if you if your knee is caved in or out or

523
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.800
rotated those things don't line up and you start to get where and you start to

524
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:13.200
get arthritis building up so that there's a couple different angles that are

525
00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:13.440
key

526
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:20.160
to looking at the lower limb typically the hip will hopefully be on about a

527
00:46:20.160 --> 00:46:26.240
three degree angle but the axis of the knee whoops the axis will go pretty much

528
00:46:26.240 --> 00:46:30.160
through the second toe through the knee through the hip joint like that so you

529
00:46:30.160 --> 00:46:30.160
've

530
00:46:30.160 --> 00:46:35.840
got the angle of the tibia and then you've got the angle of the femur but the

531
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:40.450
relationship that you really want to look at is the second toe to the knee to

532
00:46:40.450 --> 00:46:40.560
the

533
00:46:40.560 --> 00:46:45.640
hip so this would be a case of a kind of knock knee this would be bow leg in

534
00:46:45.640 --> 00:46:45.920
both

535
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:53.280
cases you can see that that force is going to be either too much on the inside

536
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:59.320
there or too much on the outside based on the position and the tension being a

537
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:07.680
little bit off so this is probably the most important slide for practically

538
00:47:07.680 --> 00:47:13.680
applying what's going on with the with the knee so if the knee caves in the

539
00:47:13.680 --> 00:47:13.960
foot

540
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:20.120
will roll in the pelvis will tip forward if the knee bows out then the foot

541
00:47:20.120 --> 00:47:20.440
will

542
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:26.280
roll outward or supinate and the pelvis will tilt backward so the knee can give

543
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:30.240
you a really good sense of what's happening with the ankle and help you

544
00:47:30.240 --> 00:47:35.360
see what's happening with the pelvis more so if you look at them when they're

545
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:39.280
at your golfers when they're just kind of walking and standing casually you'll

546
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:45.790
see what kind of bias they're personal you know their normal stance is

547
00:47:45.790 --> 00:47:46.640
presenting

548
00:47:46.640 --> 00:47:59.240
all right we'll keep moving on this is where the knee becomes really critical

549
00:47:59.240 --> 00:47:59.360
for

550
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:05.600
what's going on with the hip so this is a picture to show the glute fascia so

551
00:48:05.600 --> 00:48:09.080
your glute has two different parts the superficial and the deep and the

552
00:48:09.080 --> 00:48:16.120
superficial part goes through this it band or tractus elio tibialis and it

553
00:48:16.120 --> 00:48:21.480
connects down below the knee so the attachment for your glute the attachment

554
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:27.040
for your biggest hip muscle your biggest rotator is below the knee it's not way

555
00:48:27.040 --> 00:48:32.520
up here where you might think and so you can you can feel it on yourself if

556
00:48:32.520 --> 00:48:38.520
you if you can relax the leg and you just put your hand on the side there's a

557
00:48:38.520 --> 00:48:43.240
little band here that's your IT band if you put it there as you raise it up you

558
00:48:43.240 --> 00:48:43.320
'll

559
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.720
feel that the tension in that band changes and if you bring it all the way

560
00:48:47.720 --> 00:48:52.040
down you'll feel that that tension actually slacks unless you're like

561
00:48:52.040 --> 00:48:55.480
locking the leg and you're actually feeling one of your quad muscles if you

562
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.640
can keep the leg pretty relaxed you can feel the tension in the band change so

563
00:48:59.640 --> 00:49:06.120
if you what you'll see is that first golfer that first amateur golfer who

564
00:49:06.120 --> 00:49:09.960
was keeping a lot of knee tension they weren't really using their glutes

565
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:10.760
because

566
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.720
they were bending their knee so much that they were loading more into the quad

567
00:49:15.720 --> 00:49:15.960
or

568
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.800
the front of the leg or the you know the top of the way the second golfer who

569
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:26.040
straightened the leg so much that now this lost slack he's not using his legs

570
00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:30.320
actually at all he's using more of a really big upper body power source and

571
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:36.240
just getting that into a longer position to create tension all the way up for

572
00:49:36.240 --> 00:49:40.520
the upper body not so much the hip and the lower body but this is one of the

573
00:49:40.520 --> 00:49:46.880
most important relationships that you'll see which is the foregolf especially

574
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:47.040
for

575
00:49:47.040 --> 00:49:52.600
that right leg if you're gonna try to use the the glutes then you want that leg

576
00:49:52.600 --> 00:49:57.560
to have or that knee to have at least 15 degrees of bend and if you want the

577
00:49:57.560 --> 00:50:03.320
knee to be able to rotate then you want it to have let's say 20 degrees of or

578
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:03.740
or

579
00:50:03.740 --> 00:50:09.230
more bend so if you're somewhere in that 15 to 20 degree range which is where

580
00:50:09.230 --> 00:50:09.320
we

581
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:15.040
saw all the pros then your hip and your knee will be able to function to the

582
00:50:15.040 --> 00:50:15.200
best

583
00:50:15.200 --> 00:50:21.600
of their capabilities so if I slide come back to this but if I jump back up if

584
00:50:21.600 --> 00:50:21.720
we

585
00:50:21.720 --> 00:50:27.280
look at this graph over here the green line is that trail hip or that sorry

586
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:31.720
that trail knee and you'll see every golfer has a little different way of

587
00:50:31.720 --> 00:50:37.240
getting to that 15 to 20 degree number so here's someone who pretty much locks

588
00:50:37.240 --> 00:50:41.560
the leg but then bends it and right around change direction it's in that

589
00:50:41.560 --> 00:50:47.080
right zone here's someone who straightens it bends it straightens it and then

590
00:50:47.080 --> 00:50:54.160
it's in that 15 20 degree zone you'll tend to see you'll this is one of those

591
00:50:54.160 --> 00:50:57.260
patterns you'll see very few outliers but you'll see very different ways of

592
00:50:57.260 --> 00:51:01.880
getting there some bend it or some straighten it a lot some straighten it a

593
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:07.640
little some straighten it or straighten it consistently to the top of the swing

594
00:51:07.640 --> 00:51:13.240
other is straighten it then bend it to get back to that number but you'll see

595
00:51:13.240 --> 00:51:19.240
that number because of its relationship with the hip and the glute is a key one

596
00:51:19.240 --> 00:51:24.840
to try to aspire to and you'll see amateurs miss that mark by pretty huge

597
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:32.740
factors so I thought that would be an interesting piece for you guys to take

598
00:51:32.740 --> 00:51:39.060
away from this discussion on the knee because you'll see that if we went back

599
00:51:39.060 --> 00:51:43.060
and looked at the anatomy you'll see that a lot of the key muscles that work

600
00:51:43.060 --> 00:51:50.420
around the knee connect way up here by on the pelvis and so most of the muscles

601
00:51:50.420 --> 00:51:56.920
that cross the knee joint have pretty strong long levers and so the knee can

602
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:03.380
give you a good sense of what's happening with the with the hip if the

603
00:52:03.380 --> 00:52:09.200
knee is going outward there's a good chance that the pelvis is tipping

604
00:52:09.200 --> 00:52:13.040
backward if the knee is going inward there's a good chance the pelvis is

605
00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:18.000
tipping forward there's lots of these really cool relationships between the

606
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:24.340
two but maybe we'll do that in a second you know talk about the knee somewhere

607
00:52:24.340 --> 00:52:28.920
down the road the main goals today was to understand the basic structure and

608
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.640
some of the basic relationships and start looking at it in its alignment

609
00:52:33.640 --> 00:52:39.740
between the ankle and the knee or sorry the ankle and the hip now one last

610
00:52:39.740 --> 00:52:39.920
piece

611
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:46.960
that I wanted to address was if I go back to this running slide we are best at

612
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:53.000
pushing force vertically when the knee and the actually forget vertically we're

613
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.760
best at pushing force when the hip and the knee and the ankle are in a very

614
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:04.080
straight line so if your golfer is getting into a position like let's say

615
00:53:04.080 --> 00:53:08.920
this was a left hand golfer and here was the top or here was the transition

616
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.760
position you could see that if they were to push a lot with that lead leg with

617
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:19.360
the knee kicked in like that they would slowly erode the inside of the leg or

618
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:26.120
the posterior left meniscus same thing here if you see a golfer sliding like

619
00:53:26.120 --> 00:53:30.480
this they they won't be able to push vertically very well through the leg

620
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:38.280
because the knee is out of alignment so what should happen if I back up is that

621
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:43.360
basically when I go to the top of the swing I want to have in my right leg

622
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:43.600
which

623
00:53:43.600 --> 00:53:49.240
is this one over here I want to have a pretty straight line of force from my

624
00:53:49.240 --> 00:53:49.480
hip

625
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:53.280
which is right around here through the knee through kind of gyps so I have to

626
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:58.120
make sure the knee too far outside or they tend to slide into that knee because

627
00:53:58.120 --> 00:54:05.520
the ankle was pronating a lot and now they're pushing more on the inside of

628
00:54:05.520 --> 00:54:12.160
the ankle and the outside of the knee so that's a hard one to let's say coach

629
00:54:12.160 --> 00:54:12.440
as

630
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:18.040
far as like feeling exactly where your knee is that's where good gym exercises

631
00:54:18.040 --> 00:54:23.800
or stability training or lower body awareness and learning how to keep that

632
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:28.560
alignment is probably easier but that is something to watch out for especially

633
00:54:28.560 --> 00:54:28.680
if

634
00:54:28.680 --> 00:54:33.720
your students are complaining about knee pain that possibly in that case you

635
00:54:33.720 --> 00:54:38.720
might have to do some spatial awareness and help them get the knee in a little

636
00:54:38.720 --> 00:54:47.960
bit better line with the ankle and the hip okay as far as knee replacements go

637
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:52.760
this is actually pretty easy because the knee is not really a contraindication

638
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:53.360
for

639
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:58.880
golf the the three main things that they'll warn you about doing with a knee

640
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:04.480
replacement like two-thirds of the population of people who get knee

641
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:10.240
replacements complain of pain with deep flexion and some of especially the

642
00:55:10.240 --> 00:55:16.240
older knee replacement models they would say don't bend your knee passed I

643
00:55:16.240 --> 00:55:21.640
forget if it was 40 degrees or but basically don't do a deep squat don't

644
00:55:21.640 --> 00:55:26.040
bend all the way the knee is there the replacement wasn't able to handle that

645
00:55:26.040 --> 00:55:29.720
we don't get into that position in golf so that's not really an issue for us

646
00:55:29.720 --> 00:55:36.680
at all number two was impact so like sports like with a lot of running jumping

647
00:55:36.680 --> 00:55:42.440
things like that were contraindicated but they would usually say that jogging

648
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:42.600
or

649
00:55:42.600 --> 00:55:49.280
brisk walking was fine if you look at Sasha's work the the amount of pressure

650
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:54.720
through that lead knee is closer to one and a half of times your body weight

651
00:55:54.720 --> 00:56:01.920
which is about the same as jogging so it's not really a a deep impact or

652
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:08.440
compressive force issue when it comes to the knee quick torsion is the the last

653
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:13.480
contraindication which is basically like watch quick changes direction that's

654
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:17.040
the one that you might have to be careful about especially if they have a

655
00:56:17.040 --> 00:56:22.880
transition pattern where they get the knee out of that line of hip ankle knee

656
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:24.360
but

657
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.840
in general it's going to be slow enough that it shouldn't cause too much

658
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:34.600
problems now that being said we have to be careful with is if they had a knee

659
00:56:34.600 --> 00:56:39.520
replacement unless there was a trauma there's a very good chance that the knee

660
00:56:39.520 --> 00:56:44.760
took the beating from either a faulty moving ankle or a faulty moving hip and

661
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.920
so whenever I see whenever someone tells me they had a knee injury I want to

662
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:50.120
look

663
00:56:50.120 --> 00:56:53.820
at how the knee is moving or sorry how the hip is moving and how the ankle is

664
00:56:53.820 --> 00:56:57.760
moving because that's probably going to have a bigger impact on my coaching

665
00:56:57.760 --> 00:56:58.720
cues

666
00:56:58.720 --> 00:57:04.520
the other thing is if it was a relatively new surgery while the knee is still

667
00:57:04.520 --> 00:57:08.840
able to function it's going to feel different and it's not going to have the

668
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:16.360
same slide they may have some clicks or you know it may not feel quite as

669
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:21.080
comfortable and so as a result they may be tentative and not want to use their

670
00:57:21.080 --> 00:57:25.720
lower body but I've never had any any doctors that I've talked to say that

671
00:57:25.720 --> 00:57:31.040
there is like a contraindication for swinging golf club so it's usually just

672
00:57:31.040 --> 00:57:37.360
working around the psychology of what your your student is kind of having

673
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:37.680
trouble

674
00:57:37.680 --> 00:57:44.760
with and they may have a little bit like I said trouble getting quicker ankle

675
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:52.280
movements because of the knee so you may have to be a little bit less explosive

676
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.760
with the lower body and a little bit more from your core and shoulders but I

677
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:02.320
haven't had a need to make major changes for anyone facing knee replacement or

678
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:08.320
who's who've successfully had a knee replacement surgery

679
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:17.480
okay so if you have any questions please type them in the chat like I said I've

680
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:23.720
got a one question and then a couple swings that we'll take a look at and I've

681
00:58:23.720 --> 00:58:31.480
got one ulnar deviation case study that I brought in for today so this leads

682
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:37.320
towards one of the ideas that I'll have either next webinar or the following

683
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:38.240
but

684
00:58:38.240 --> 00:58:41.200
the question was basically looking at the wrist that's one of the hottest

685
00:58:41.200 --> 00:58:45.680
topics though in transition do we want the lead risk going into ulnar straight

686
00:58:45.680 --> 00:58:51.560
away do you see most guys have very little addition and radial at the

687
00:58:51.560 --> 00:59:00.640
start down I'd say the majority of Torpros will have it'll stay close to the

688
00:59:00.640 --> 00:59:06.080
same you'll have a real slight ulnar deviation happening in transition but

689
00:59:06.080 --> 00:59:10.760
there is you know a good a small I shouldn't say good percentage but there's

690
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:16.280
a percentage I don't know if it's 25 percent or 10 percent or what but guys

691
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:23.120
who rehinge it and then start going out of it later so they rehinge it until

692
00:59:23.120 --> 00:59:26.440
about vertical as they're kind of pulling down and creating more power

693
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:33.360
with the arms and then they start going into the ulnar deviation later so I

694
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:40.000
typically focus more on the feeling of getting it right there unless they're

695
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:46.560
really late the when I see on video we'll see it with the case study when I see

696
00:59:46.560 --> 00:59:51.280
on video a golfer where the wrist look like they stayed the same between about

697
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:57.760
there and there I know we're gonna be battling some steep diggy wrist movement

698
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:04.920
and so I usually look at it more as like at least by belly button height or

699
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:09.200
delivery position I want to make sure that the wrist are coming out for some

700
01:00:09.200 --> 01:00:13.120
golfers they're very unaware of where the club is at the top of the swing and

701
01:00:13.120 --> 01:00:18.360
they need to start feeling it go that way much earlier but we'll probably do

702
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:22.240
that it will probably look at actual 3D of the wrist look at details of the

703
01:00:22.240 --> 01:00:29.080
motorcycle and ulnar deviation in transition at some point here we'll come

704
01:00:29.080 --> 01:00:38.120
to that okay so here was a case study I had you know read the book came in for

705
01:00:38.120 --> 01:00:43.760
a for a lesson and I thought it'd be a good kind of practical application of

706
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:57.560
that let's mute that okay so if I kind of scrub through you'll see as he starts

707
01:00:57.560 --> 01:01:05.840
down it's a fair but pretty good looking save from it so steep contact or steep

708
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:10.280
position but the body is not in a very steep position so it had to be coming

709
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:16.560
from the arms we talked a little bit about having that much radio deviation

710
01:01:16.560 --> 01:01:23.120
or hinge that late in the swing so then we did just a couple couple drills to

711
01:01:23.120 --> 01:01:27.520
work on getting this sense of feeling more of the ulnar deviation and you can

712
01:01:27.520 --> 01:01:37.160
see how his preset move is basically it's shallower and you can the the hook

713
01:01:37.160 --> 01:01:47.600
became much harder for him to accomplish so there's kind of his little let's do

714
01:01:47.600 --> 01:01:52.600
yeah it plays a little too fast okay so his preset move was really getting that

715
01:01:52.600 --> 01:02:01.320
ulnar deviation early and so you'll see now what's common what we'll probably

716
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:07.000
have to work through next time is you'll notice that golfers who love to retain

717
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.720
that radial deviation for a long period of time will typically try to shallow

718
01:02:10.720 --> 01:02:10.880
it

719
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:18.400
more by be creating arm depth instead of that ulnar deviation but he is ulnar

720
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:26.320
deviating now through there where if we look at originally

721
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:32.680
bring it back not yet not yet not yet right around there right around that

722
01:02:32.680 --> 01:02:36.960
frame is kind of where he starts that ulnar deviation so we've now got it

723
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:44.240
probably 20 30% whoops earlier which I would consider better in this particular

724
01:02:44.240 --> 01:02:51.280
movement and it will certainly help with shallowing out the bottom of the swing

725
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:56.000
and you'll notice on the way through if you were astute you'll see that he has

726
01:02:56.000 --> 01:03:05.000
less of the stand-up move compared to where he started and so that stand-up

727
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:10.960
move will tend to cause more of that pull hook so this was moving us in the

728
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:20.520
right direction okay I see Craig just joined perfect because we're about to

729
01:03:20.520 --> 01:03:26.600
talk about your student and this is this is probably one of the toughest case

730
01:03:26.600 --> 01:03:32.280
studies or swing consultation questions I've gotten here so he's got a student

731
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:36.800
who has left hemispheric cerebral palsy he was supposed to never get out of a

732
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:41.120
wheelchair when he was born obviously he's better than that you'll see he has a

733
01:03:41.120 --> 01:03:47.120
brace on his left leg is a and I'm glad to see you on here Craig is the brace

734
01:03:47.120 --> 01:03:47.360
in

735
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:52.800
the ankle or on the knee if you get a chance and he uses neoprene wrap on his

736
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:58.290
left hand I assume to help stabilize the wrist he cannot process information

737
01:03:58.290 --> 01:03:58.640
when

738
01:03:58.640 --> 01:04:02.880
you talk into his left ear he needs visual problems with the left eye so he

739
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:07.360
tends to line everything left of target would like some advice on what drills

740
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:20.640
and ideas to help his game so let's zoom it in here

741
01:04:20.640 --> 01:04:27.200
oh whoops you guys can't see what I'm looking at can you

742
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:42.320
okay so I know you can't see the mouse on this but

743
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:49.640
thanks ankle perfect okay that's what it looked like but I wasn't quite sure

744
01:04:49.640 --> 01:04:51.440
okay

745
01:04:51.440 --> 01:05:01.960
so we I think you've done a tremendous job with this golf swing with all those

746
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:09.320
limitations I mean you can see the the left wrist is pretty much bandaged up

747
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:18.360
so the you know some whenever I'm looking at kind of a let's say a quirky

748
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:23.080
or swing I'm looking at kind of well what's the if I could change one movement

749
01:05:23.080 --> 01:05:23.240
or

750
01:05:23.240 --> 01:05:32.680
one position what would I go after this swing to me I would use

751
01:05:32.680 --> 01:05:41.480
peterson I'm drawing a blank on his carl carl peterson I would use him as the

752
01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:48.200
model because I think that he's doing a great job of mimicking some of his

753
01:05:48.200 --> 01:05:54.280
transition moves where his body gets pretty open and out I would probably

754
01:05:54.280 --> 01:06:00.680
work on if I was trying to get into a little bit better

755
01:06:00.680 --> 01:06:07.320
bracing position I would try to get the club shallowing just a touch more there

756
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:14.360
so that then potentially he could he could go into a little bit more bracing

757
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:14.520
but the

758
01:06:14.520 --> 01:06:20.440
hard thing here is most of the bracing typically comes through that left leg

759
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:26.520
and I'm not quite sure what he'll be able to do with that left ankle you'll

760
01:06:26.520 --> 01:06:33.480
see that the whole the whole lower unit basically pivots and moves like so and

761
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:40.920
he's actually pivoting more around that right leg right the left leg the left

762
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:41.240
leg

763
01:06:41.240 --> 01:06:47.880
is more passive in this case and where he's getting that right arm is

764
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:54.120
quite good you know he's got a decent white movement where that right arm is

765
01:06:54.120 --> 01:07:02.440
actually working across that body it's you've done a really good job with

766
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:07.640
building a lot of the key core pieces but one of my overriding philosophies is

767
01:07:07.640 --> 01:07:11.880
that if any golfer comes in I should be able to help them improve

768
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:15.560
the energy you know the way that they're swinging the club

769
01:07:15.560 --> 01:07:24.040
so with him I would try and experiment with a little bit more um bracing

770
01:07:24.040 --> 01:07:31.320
so you know the bracing drill where basically I go and and pull on the club

771
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:35.320
the danger you would have to you'd have to make sure that he turned his head so

772
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:35.480
that he

773
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:39.320
could hear from the right right side and see it with the right side

774
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:47.160
and I just want to I'd do it very gently and I'd see if he was feeling it more

775
01:07:47.160 --> 01:07:47.320
in

776
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:54.200
the left leg or if he was feeling it more in the right leg because I would I

777
01:07:54.200 --> 01:07:59.720
would tend to bet that he he's a decent driver of the golf ball and would

778
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:07.720
struggle or complain more about low point control with his scoring irons yeah

779
01:08:07.720 --> 01:08:15.480
so you could potentially work on getting just a little bit earlier or more

780
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.120
shallow

781
01:08:16.120 --> 01:08:21.720
there so then he could add the steepness of being a little bit more on that

782
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:23.320
left side

783
01:08:23.320 --> 01:08:30.600
if he can handle it if not then by shallowing it it would allow him to get a

784
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:31.240
little bit more

785
01:08:31.240 --> 01:08:37.240
body rotation off that right side so he might still hit him a little bit thin

786
01:08:37.240 --> 01:08:42.760
but I think it would help clean up the potential of some of the left misses

787
01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:50.680
so other than that I mean it looks like you've done a really great job with him

788
01:08:52.200 --> 01:08:56.040
because he's got limitations on the left arm and left leg I would train the

789
01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:57.160
right side

790
01:08:57.160 --> 01:09:07.000
to be as good as possible so if you're I'm not sure how detail focused you've

791
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:08.120
been but potentially

792
01:09:08.120 --> 01:09:19.160
through there getting a little bit more of kind of that right arm staying ahead

793
01:09:19.160 --> 01:09:19.880
or

794
01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:26.120
a more of that right arm staying external a little bit longer but holy cow I

795
01:09:26.120 --> 01:09:26.840
told you this was one

796
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:30.720
of the toughest ones when I looked at it because he checks a lot of my just

797
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:32.360
core fundamental boxes so

798
01:09:32.360 --> 01:09:39.720
I'd say a little bit of low point control and possibly some games to try to

799
01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:43.160
dial in low point

800
01:09:43.160 --> 01:09:51.880
control and trajectory for improving his iron play so I see a question from Ed

801
01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:53.400
at regarding

802
01:09:53.400 --> 01:09:56.900
unhinging I know we have been discussing this move a fair amount but this move

803
01:09:56.900 --> 01:09:57.880
seems to be more

804
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:04.720
of a flip as the golfer comes into impact yeah shot 39 last week also will this

805
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:06.200
cause one to lose

806
01:10:06.200 --> 01:10:12.480
club head speed I tend to find the opposite and when you say this golfer did

807
01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:13.800
you mean the first

808
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:22.060
one I showed or this Craig student here I tend to find that the earlier owner

809
01:10:22.060 --> 01:10:23.880
deviation doesn't

810
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:28.620
leave club head speed because you mean you're able to increase your wrist

811
01:10:28.620 --> 01:10:29.960
extension so you're

812
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:37.030
still able to load the wrist quite maximally you're just you're the biggest

813
01:10:37.030 --> 01:10:39.320
thing is that it tends to

814
01:10:39.320 --> 01:10:45.430
feel less flippy down at the bottom so you're able to get more club head speed

815
01:10:45.430 --> 01:10:46.520
from the body

816
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:54.150
and the trail wrist extension you're you're not getting and you typically don't

817
01:10:54.150 --> 01:10:55.320
stall as much

818
01:10:56.040 --> 01:11:01.530
so you get the speed to build later where a lot of golfers who go into more of

819
01:11:01.530 --> 01:11:02.120
that massive

820
01:11:02.120 --> 01:11:07.800
radial actually lose like they peak their club head speed a little bit too soon

821
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:09.640
because

822
01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:13.880
but it feels powerful that's the the one thing I'm always up against with

823
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:15.400
training owner deviation

824
01:11:15.400 --> 01:11:20.880
is the feeling the perceived feeling of power and speed versus the actual

825
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:22.600
reality of power and speed

826
01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:32.750
so we covered the I think that the owner deviation is one of the the two key

827
01:11:32.750 --> 01:11:33.880
shallowing movements for

828
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:38.810
the arms and so if you want to have a good wipe you need it if you want to have

829
01:11:38.810 --> 01:11:40.120
less of a stall you

830
01:11:40.120 --> 01:11:45.710
need it I just think it's a really important movement for developing a really

831
01:11:45.710 --> 01:11:46.840
good flat spot

832
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:58.840
down at the bottom so the and the thing is here let me pull up

833
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:10.680
since we're answering some chats anyway okay so when you go in towards when you

834
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:11.880
go in towards

835
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:16.260
owner deviation it makes it really hard to flip a flip is when you're going

836
01:12:16.260 --> 01:12:18.840
into either increased

837
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:24.630
extension or increased flexion of the trail wrist so that way this way is

838
01:12:24.630 --> 01:12:27.400
actually one of the key

839
01:12:28.040 --> 01:12:33.960
components going that way is what gets the club in line with the forearm so it

840
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:35.160
can actually

841
01:12:35.160 --> 01:12:41.790
and it because it's coupled with flexion it'll actually delay the the flipping

842
01:12:41.790 --> 01:12:43.080
of the club so

843
01:12:43.080 --> 01:12:47.880
it tends to help with low point and like I said if you get past the feeling of

844
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:49.320
it being less powerful

845
01:12:49.320 --> 01:12:53.910
and if you're capable of creating speed from your hips in your core then it

846
01:12:53.910 --> 01:12:55.080
ends up producing

847
01:12:55.080 --> 01:13:00.570
more club head speed but feeling slower it's a weird pattern but i've seen it

848
01:13:00.570 --> 01:13:01.400
consistently enough

849
01:13:01.400 --> 01:13:06.390
that i'm pretty confident with it um is there a optimal pattern for hip

850
01:13:06.390 --> 01:13:07.880
rotation for example

851
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:14.030
supinating both ankles and straightening the left leg faster um it's a good

852
01:13:14.030 --> 01:13:16.600
question um i've got

853
01:13:18.040 --> 01:13:23.530
because i have guys who have really high club head speeds and really high

854
01:13:23.530 --> 01:13:24.600
performance on

855
01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:33.230
like there were some pretty solid golfers i used in the powerpoint today on

856
01:13:33.230 --> 01:13:35.560
both ends of the spectrum

857
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:41.160
so one of the golfer who had the dual external rotation is a very good ball

858
01:13:41.160 --> 01:13:42.120
striker world class

859
01:13:42.120 --> 01:13:48.060
and one of the golfers who had the look of less external rotation is you know

860
01:13:48.060 --> 01:13:49.000
top 10

861
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:55.240
one of the guys that you commonly see as an example of an elite ball striker so

862
01:13:55.240 --> 01:13:56.440
i don't necessarily

863
01:13:56.440 --> 01:14:02.820
think that there is that one is vastly superior to the other um but i do think

864
01:14:02.820 --> 01:14:04.680
that the supination

865
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:16.360
pattern um possibly requires less nuance in the release um so the the danger

866
01:14:16.360 --> 01:14:17.560
the danger of going

867
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:21.630
the opposite where you have more of the pronation pattern is i think that you

868
01:14:21.630 --> 01:14:23.560
run into some barriers

869
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:27.440
in the left leg so you have to have a little bit more of the vertical coming

870
01:14:27.440 --> 01:14:28.600
off the ground and have

871
01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:34.280
it really spin in the air um in order to get through the ball without stalling

872
01:14:34.280 --> 01:14:35.560
uh and i think

873
01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:41.410
that that can create a little bit more timing issues um i don't i don't

874
01:14:41.410 --> 01:14:44.200
necessarily think that

875
01:14:44.200 --> 01:14:53.080
one is vastly superior in terms of the um power output um now for the trail leg

876
01:14:53.080 --> 01:14:54.040
as far as the

877
01:14:54.040 --> 01:14:59.220
amount of timing of the knee straightening i do think there is you know you you

878
01:14:59.220 --> 01:15:00.520
saw that there

879
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:04.800
are a couple different ways to hit that zone but if you're not loading the

880
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:06.680
ankle and the the hip

881
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:11.190
then i think you're leaving a lot out there and that's where a lot a lot more

882
01:15:11.190 --> 01:15:11.960
amateurs in my

883
01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:17.000
opinion suffer from poor trail leg mechanics then lead leg mechanics

884
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:30.200
okay i had one other golfer to take a look at um let's zoom in

885
01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:42.360
just leave it like this okay so Ian sent in one of his students

886
01:15:42.360 --> 01:15:49.320
and we've got it kind of in frame by frame mode

887
01:15:49.320 --> 01:16:00.990
okay so i'll let you you know think about it gather your thoughts before i jump

888
01:16:00.990 --> 01:16:01.160
in

889
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:11.800
okay and then we'll move over to the down the line

890
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:38.360
okay you got some ideas

891
01:16:38.360 --> 01:16:44.840
if you want to comment you can so if i was looking through this golfer um some

892
01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:46.520
of the questions i

893
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:52.020
would be asking um i think that um the the priorities that i tend to go at um i

894
01:16:52.020 --> 01:16:53.560
talked about in the

895
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:59.050
the level two a couple weeks ago um i try to go for solid contact then straight

896
01:16:59.050 --> 01:16:59.640
then far

897
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:05.370
usually in that order i imagine that this golfer tends to have more straight

898
01:17:05.370 --> 01:17:08.200
ness uh than solid

899
01:17:08.200 --> 01:17:13.210
contact if you look at it you know if we go to impact and and just look at some

900
01:17:13.210 --> 01:17:14.760
rough kind of

901
01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:21.160
path ideas it tends to be i'd say straighter than if i brought it back and we

902
01:17:21.160 --> 01:17:22.520
looked at more

903
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:29.120
the low point considerations which would be where is this sternum and and where

904
01:17:29.120 --> 01:17:29.880
is his arms

905
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:38.840
so at impact that's fairly vertical and a little bit more more back so now i'm

906
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:39.320
going to

907
01:17:39.320 --> 01:17:44.360
relate the two together now the good news i would if i was working with this

908
01:17:44.360 --> 01:17:45.640
golfer in person and

909
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.870
say okay you've got great arm extension that's going to be a huge benefit um we

910
01:17:49.870 --> 01:17:51.000
've got a pretty

911
01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:58.680
stable yeah right uh i agree with drive hold right arm straightens too soon

912
01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:00.200
lack of white movement

913
01:18:00.200 --> 01:18:05.040
so we'll we'll circle back to that um so there's where we can see that the

914
01:18:05.040 --> 01:18:06.680
right arm is straightening

915
01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:11.620
too soon so as a result the shaft is pretty vertical at impact but he does a

916
01:18:11.620 --> 01:18:13.080
pretty good job of

917
01:18:13.080 --> 01:18:17.760
getting into some good arm extension on the way through i just don't love the

918
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:19.080
way he gets there

919
01:18:19.080 --> 01:18:24.130
so i would imagine that solid contact is one of our bigger issues i'm actually

920
01:18:24.130 --> 01:18:24.600
gonna

921
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:28.680
pull him up in both spots we'll see if we can do it this way

922
01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:39.880
all right way to trick it okay so now

923
01:18:44.200 --> 01:18:50.440
so now if we look at when so right around here is where something that looks

924
01:18:50.440 --> 01:18:51.480
off right there's a

925
01:18:51.480 --> 01:18:56.970
lot of space there um the arms are way behind his body if i bring it down to

926
01:18:56.970 --> 01:18:58.360
about the same position

927
01:18:58.360 --> 01:19:03.320
from the down the line you'd say oh this looks like it's way inside but the

928
01:19:03.320 --> 01:19:04.680
reason that it looks

929
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:11.310
way inside is because there's not a lot of body rotation at this point right

930
01:19:11.310 --> 01:19:13.640
you can see his hips

931
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:20.360
and his chest are at the most pointing at the golf ball but probably close to

932
01:19:20.360 --> 01:19:21.240
the target

933
01:19:21.240 --> 01:19:26.460
so if i was to grab the club and freeze him there and then have him turn his

934
01:19:26.460 --> 01:19:28.200
body more towards the

935
01:19:28.200 --> 01:19:34.450
target what would happen is that elbow would work its way more in front in

936
01:19:34.450 --> 01:19:37.400
order to um allow for the

937
01:19:37.400 --> 01:19:43.240
left arm to stay in contact so i think that this is more of a sequencing issue

938
01:19:43.240 --> 01:19:43.480
can

939
01:19:43.480 --> 01:19:51.480
creating a low point issue now we usually when you start getting the body more

940
01:19:51.480 --> 01:19:52.280
open

941
01:19:52.280 --> 01:19:57.170
there's a chance that the the face will get left open when he gets more shaft

942
01:19:57.170 --> 01:19:57.880
lean so that'd be

943
01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:03.700
something that i would at least experiment with or keep an eye on but the main

944
01:20:03.700 --> 01:20:05.000
issue i see for him

945
01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:09.330
would be getting a little bit improved sequencing um which would help keep the

946
01:20:09.330 --> 01:20:10.600
arms more in front

947
01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:18.280
so a pump drill or um you know some rope training or uh you know if you know

948
01:20:18.280 --> 01:20:19.160
some of the hands-on

949
01:20:19.160 --> 01:20:24.650
stuff where you're going in um i would do the one where i like to hold on to

950
01:20:24.650 --> 01:20:27.480
the club and get the

951
01:20:27.480 --> 01:20:30.650
body to feel more open or if you were doing it by yourself you would use

952
01:20:30.650 --> 01:20:32.040
something like the wall

953
01:20:32.040 --> 01:20:37.880
drill um or the reverse pump like all those would kind of help get a sense of

954
01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:39.800
the arms more in front

955
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:45.900
now the thing that he will have to adjust for is if we look at the height there

956
01:20:45.900 --> 01:20:47.800
you'll notice

957
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:56.200
that if we were to delay that right arm he would probably top the ball unless

958
01:20:56.200 --> 01:20:58.920
he in addition to

959
01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:04.870
getting more body rotation also um got a little bit more bent over um to

960
01:21:04.870 --> 01:21:07.240
account for the distance

961
01:21:07.240 --> 01:21:11.320
difference in the right arm straightening so i would experiment with some

962
01:21:11.320 --> 01:21:12.440
transition pump type

963
01:21:12.440 --> 01:21:17.480
stuff and then i would probably circle back to some impact or release drills

964
01:21:17.480 --> 01:21:18.840
feeling closer to

965
01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:24.130
the ground um i i tell golfers all the time that there's two ways to avoid

966
01:21:24.130 --> 01:21:25.640
hitting it fat one is

967
01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:30.440
standing up and when you straighten your arm or two is rotating so that you

968
01:21:30.440 --> 01:21:31.560
delay the timing of

969
01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:36.280
when that right arm straightens and i think that i would want to do the second

970
01:21:36.280 --> 01:21:36.920
with him