Integrating Core Concepts for a Cohesive Golf Swing

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So last time when we looked at the short game, we were looking at the

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kinematic sequence to see the casting pattern and we were looking at some of

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the risk graphs to look at the the coasting pattern. I'm going to talk a

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little bit more this time about the follow-through position. I'll reference

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the top of the backswing a little bit and kind of early transition but I'm

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mainly going to talk about the follow-through position. The follow-through

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position can be extremely helpful for training a lot of impact characteristics

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and especially with the short game I find it's probably the most important

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position to train. It's a it's a short enough shot that golfers can actually

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stop there and compare and they'll start to uncover pivot problems, release

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problems, all kinds of things from focusing on this one follow-through

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position. So these will be the ones in your in your PowerPoint. We got

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Utley here and we're gonna highlight a couple different things. I I briefly

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talked about the or not so briefly but I talked about the holding ulnar

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deviation. We'll see some of the others do that even more so than someone like

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Stan Utley. We talked a little bit about the side bend here but we're gonna

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talk

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about kind of the extension idea. Many many instructors that I've listened to

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you know, Seekman's, Utley's talk about kind of standing tall and

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and finishing tall. We're going to talk about where that thought really comes

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from. So and then we're gonna talk a little bit about the the body rotation

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and slide. So there's a lot going on in this position here. Okay so let me jump

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over to the 3D slide this. Here we go. Okay so we've got Utley here with the

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3D shot. As we saw last time it's a little slow when I try to play the

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emulator with the streaming software and everything going on. So I'm gonna jump

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it into closer to follow through position. Okay so now if we look at this

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follow

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through position while there was, if we look over at this graph we can see with

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the thorax, we can see that there was a little bit more of a stacked backswing

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where both the pelvis and the thorax moved about two and a half inches towards

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the target. We'll see through impact there's a really good kind of flat line or

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posting up. And if we look over here on the thorax angles you'll see that, we

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take me a little while we get there so I'll talk about it, you'll see that

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right

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around here the golfer is starting to extend. So what most golfers don't do

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is start extending early enough. So that's one of the things that I highlight

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in

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the pivot sections or the pivot drills on the site. That helps I believe kind

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of get some of the ulnar deviation, use the bounce and when you combine it with

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side bend it creates a little bit more of that, yeah using the bounce or

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creating more of the flat spot with a trailing edge. But what I usually point

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out to students is right around here is where that thoracic spine starts to

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extend. So while the body is going into side bend the thoracic spine is

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starting

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to extend here and then if you go through you'll be able to see like his head

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his upper body very very still. I think it's part of how they control the

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precision of the low point and you'll see that the upper body actually works

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slightly away from the target in most cases. It doesn't continue drifting

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through

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but it continues rotating through. So if I get him to his follow-through

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position

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so somewhere right around here you'll see that's where he's reaching his

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maximum side bend which is pretty standard for almost everyone. You'll see

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he's got a fair amount of rotation and that his upper body is rotated say 20

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degrees more than his lower body. So he's hitting this shot more with his rib

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cage and shoulder girdle which is allowing the upper body to pass. The

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lower body is used more for balance but the spine as part of the engine is

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going

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into extension to help take away shaft lean and allow for the bounce to slide

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along the ground. From the elbow extension perspective you'll see at this

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point the arms are fairly close so as in you know fully straight would be 180

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degrees so he's got 30 degrees of bend in each arm. I talked last time about

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one

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of the I think pain patterns for wedgeplay that I I think causes a lot of kind

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of

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inconsistency is when you have too much trail arm straightening on the way

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through here Utley does a good job of demonstrating those arms kind of being

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more bent at this position. A lot of the tour pros that I've seen will have

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more

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ulnar deviation at this point at least with the lead wrist but he has a fair

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amount with the trail that could be something going on with his grip but

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you'll see you know 40 degrees plus of ulnar deviation which is quite a lot it

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usually actually more than you would see with their driver swing and that's

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another piece that not that commonly you won't see with with amateurs. We'll

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have one specific example up here. All right so if I, okay so this is more of

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I just want to keep it in the same order that I have it in your slides so I'll

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take a second for it to load. This golfer I think does a even a better job with

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the ulnar deviation. It's one of my favorite wrist grafts honestly because of

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how flatlined pretty much both ulnar deviation wrist are and you'll see he's

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a little bit later but if I get him to impact and then start working backward

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it's right around there so it's still not like right at impact this is when he

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starts to extend this is when he's got a fair amount of lift you'll see his

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thoracic spine is now no longer working towards the target so you'll have some

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golfer to kind of dive bomb forward dive bomb down those usually both cause

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leading edge strike which is not very good for your standard chipping and

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pitching mechanics and then if we take him to his follow-through position very

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little forearm rotation which I like and then the ulnar deviation there and he

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actually this is quite the highest I've seen so 96 degrees of thorax

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rotation he's got 40 degrees more thorax rotation at this point then he has

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pelvis rotation yet the club is not way to the you know if I spin him around

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the

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club is actually almost right of the target line so that's an indication that

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he hasn't had a whole lot of that forearm rotation and he hasn't had a

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whole lot of the trail wrist flexion in order to move the club way over here so

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with 90 degrees of rotation the club is still basically pointing out at the

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target he's got a fair amount of lift at this point even though the pelvis has

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dropped down he's not getting a lot of leg straightening and power you can see

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the knees are pretty soft he's gone into eight degrees of backward bend with

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his

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chest and he's lifted 2.6 inches compared to a pelvis that is 0.7 down so he's

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lifted about three inches which is quite a bit and he has a fair amount of side

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bend you can see that his shoulders are still pointing kind of down at the golf

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ball so I'll sorry about that I realized I left it on the wrong screen so here

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where the you'll be able to see it in your in your slides so over in the top

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left graph is where you see the flexion going into extension in the middle

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graph

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is where you start to see the lift and the thorax moving away from the target

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and then on the right two graphs the red line is the owner deviation but I

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train a lot of this follow through position and then I train a lot of going

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from impact to follow through kind of refining the body pivot so that it's

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pretty stacked on top of each other I didn't mention this with Stan but you'll

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be able to see Stan actually is the winner as far as I'm concerned is with the

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lack of access tilt so usually around two inches or so is pretty good you can

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see the upper body is pretty much on top of the lower body here you'll see when

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we get to one pro who's not known for a great short game and when we get to

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of the amateurs they'll have a little bit more of that access tilt and yeah the

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thorax posting up and going vertical I tend to work on that pattern here in in

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the follow through I'll basically get them into almost like my hit my arms

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drill I'll get them there and just kind of guide the movement going through

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from the body and a lot less from the arms and hands if they have a hard time

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doing that and making good turf contact then you have to go backward and kind

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of

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look at the steep and shallow balance to figure out why it's not bottoming out

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even with the golf ball okay we got next okay

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now you will see a bit more variety in the short game than you will in the full

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swing but for the most part we're gonna see the early spine extension as a

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common trait we're gonna see the the posting up and lack of slide as a

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common trait both of those I think help control low point as well as using the

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bounce and you'll tend to see more of the quiet arms forearms and elbows on the

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way through so if I take this golfer to impact just because the backswing and

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downswing takes so long to play okay so we get to this number here again 40

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degrees of owner deviation 2.6 degrees of lift you can see if we go back he's

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pretty early in terms of going into extension which I think is a very

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helpful move so he starts going into extension right around now so right

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around here is where as thoracic spine starts to lift up what we'll see with

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some of the amateurs is you'll see commonly golfers who really struggle

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with low point will be staying in their forward bend far too late and that

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causes

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them to either slide the hips forward create too much access tilt that's not

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too good or you'll see them stay in forward bend and just struggle with

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diggy contact what you'll see again he gets into that kind of two and a half

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degree difference between thorax and pelvis the pelvis or the thorax was kind

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of posting up through impact it wasn't continuing and he has a very little

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amount of slide he's very very centered which I think is is helpful again for

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controlling low point let's see we look at the amount of rotation 76 degrees of

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rotation of the chest at his follow through position again quite a lot as we

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saw from the kinematic sequence stuff last time this grab this shot is hit more

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with thoracic rotation than it is with a lot of arm and shoulder mechanics okay

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next our buddy Grant wait so Grant wait is classically known as a really good

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ball striker but he's not known for having the best wedge play he's not bad

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you know I've seen him in person he gets great looking shots but he does I

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wouldn't

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say that's the technique that he's really known for so we're gonna see a few

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things that we didn't see in those first three out those first three I would

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considered a elite level short game so ugly in the two others compared to

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Grant so if we get him to follow through so he does a good job of keeping the

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elbows in close I don't think he does quite as good a job of maintaining the

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ulnar deviation you can see both red lines going down and you can see the blue

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lines having a little bit more activity as well so he has more forearm rotation

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which will typically cause more leading edge contact rather than bounce

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contact if we look at the timing of him going into extension

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right around there so he's later he's closer to the ball when he's starting to

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go into extension so then we have to think about well how would his thorax be

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already going so far back if he wasn't going into extension that could relate

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to some of his pivot and what you'll see is if I get him down towards impact he

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tends to have a little less of the side bend compared to some of the other guys

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so he's doing it more with rotation or keeping the thorax closed basically

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he's he's not doing it with the spine extension lift side bend pattern that we

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saw with the first three he does it a little late timing wise and so he ends

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up doing it a little bit more with his hands which has a little bit more of

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this higher finish now we don't know if he was purposely hitting maybe a

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different shot for the 30 yard shot but I know that they're typically all given

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pretty much the same instructions of kind of flight and just a basic 30 yard

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shot he also has a bit more of the slide you can see at this point because he

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stayed in his flexion he has to slide the low point forward because he slides

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the low point forward he has to use a little bit more shaft rotation and the

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side of the low point forward you'll see so he's got four inch difference

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instead of more of that two and a half three not drastic but a little bit more

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tilted back this is more of a pivot that I would tend to see with a good driver

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long iron player rather than rather than wedge

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okay jumping over here okay I'm gonna jump to the power point so with the with

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the amateurs which is what we're what we're gonna look at now you'll be able to

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see this golfer actually we can pull his up but you can see this golfer the

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when

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he starts going into extension is right at impact and so if you look at impact

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you'll actually see he's going more down his chest is actually going down his

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wrist angles were pretty good that wasn't the main thing for him it was more of

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kind of a pivot problem where you can see kind of diving into the golf ball so

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let me take it back to let's take a look at it there

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whoops that's not the right one but since it takes a little time to load up

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let's take a look at this one so on this one the first thing that should jump

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out to you is you're gonna see that he's staying in flexion all the way until

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impact so right around there is where he's starting to stand up so his vertical

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lift is not coming from the thorax it's either coming from straightening the

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legs

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which I don't have on the system or it would come from early extension but it

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doesn't look like he's early extending so that would pretty much have to come

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more from the the lifts would have to come more from the legs that would also

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make sense with him getting those are very straight arms 170 degrees and so

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he's probably almost standing up and extending those arms down into down into

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impact and then he probably gets very left so if we come to that follow through

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position so probably that next one somewhere around there loses the wrist

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a little bit at least that lead wrist has a what probably show up he's a little

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bit low on the rotation compared to some of the others so if I take him into

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this

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position you'll see he got the club pointing at the target but not so much

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with the body rotation so he did it more with the arm straightening and

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shoulder

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movement I would probably know he still has a fair amount of side bend but you

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can see kind of the angle of the rib cage where he's pointing more down because

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so he hasn't gone into that extension position if you use the this arm

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movement and extended well he'd probably hit a lot of fat shots so he's

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probably

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gonna have to coordinate some of the wrist angle stuff and you'll see that he's

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got very little ulnar deviation you tend to see very the the spine extension

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piece and the ulnar deviation piece kind of matching together so I would

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probably get him in this position feeling more ulnar deviation and almost

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like he was you know sticking his chest through his arms to kind of keep

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himself backward as he turned through that would give it more leading edge

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contact instead of he probably get some you probably get some either heel toe

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misses I'm not quite sure I don't remember exactly what we worked on but

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he definitely gets some leading edge issues

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okay so I don't want these to get too repetitive so let's jump back to the

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powerpoint and we'll just kind of hop through you'll see most bad wedge

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players will typically have one of either the arm straightening the late

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extension or the too much wrist activity position wise which messes up their

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follow-through position so this golfer you can see very different look than the

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pros that's a lot of arm shoulder power that's usually a low point control type

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thing he's got a bit more kind of axis tilt there than I would want to see and

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very very little side bend he's got 40 degrees which isn't terrible by itself

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but he's got 14 degrees of pelvis so there's very little in the actual spine

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most of it is happening more or a larger percentage happening more from the

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pelvis and he's only got 56 degrees of rotation so this is very much an arms

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shoulder hit style golfer and you can see that I coded that as a more of a

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bladed shot so it's probably pretty thin wrist weren't terrible as far as the

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the coasting on the way through that's a fair amount of arm rotation from the

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lead wrist so he's kind of rolling it over so he probably has some club face

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issues as well but the big thing here is with solid contact we're looking at

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balancing the steeps and shallows and kind of figuring out low point and I

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think that's the the large contribution is the the change in the arms here

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combined with what he's doing with his pivot

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okay let's look at two more here's another one that doesn't come out of his

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extension not a whole lot of lift not great on the arms as well some some

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little goofy stuff going on with the trail arm where it kind of almost like

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pauses through impact and then there's kind of a straightening after impact

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so he probably you know complains on tight lies of a little bit more diggy or

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almost flinch feeling type contact decent on the axis tilt but you can see

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how much his chest is pointing down this might have been an older gentleman if

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can remember or at least someone with a more kind of kyphotic posture and so

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getting into that extension piece was a little bit harder and you can see from

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the side bend piece again he's kind of in the low category fair amount of

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rotation but he's in the low category and you'll see how the blue line here is

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underneath the red line so he doesn't have a whole lot of side bend change in

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position going through impact so he's probably trying to kind of keep his

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head down and in an attempt to control contact but not realizing that that

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actually makes it harder for him to control contact and then last one here's

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another one who is an amateur who struggled with chipping he's got the

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classic combo of you can see the thorax doesn't start extending until impact

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as a result or to bounce to work with it you can see not a lot of ulnar

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deviation those two usually come in a pair so five degrees 15 degrees that's

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almost always going to be a lot of leading edge contact so this golfer

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complained on tight lies of like you know duffing it or sticking the club in

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the ground will staying flex forward and not unhinging those are those are two

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common ways to keep more leading edge and prevent you from doing trailing edge

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decent you know that trail arm is still fairly straight so it was even stra

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ighter

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at impact but of the bigger pieces I would say it's the timing of the

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unhinged related to the extension combined with a little bit of slide you

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know five inches forward the release was probably this remember one of the big

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limitations the AMM is it doesn't get shoulders so I'm guessing that the

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release was a little bit more behind his body instead of in front and so we had

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to slide to move the low point forward but slide causes dig lack of ulnar

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deviation causes dig extension or lack of extension of the spine causes dig so

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this guy definitely had some diggy issues to work through so the couple key

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takeaways for this follow-through position which is one of the most

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important movements or positions to train with your golfers unhinged or

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ulnar deviation extension of the spine side tilt and rotation to kind of be

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facing the target and then elbows kind of close to you if you get people

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feeling

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how to get from impact to their a lot of their contact problems turf problems

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go away especially once they start believing in the idea of getting the

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club to slide along the ground okay I'll check over on the chat just to see if

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there's any questions relating to the short game before we move on to thoracic

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spine one of the hot fitness topics all right back to the PowerPoint okay so as

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we were working our way up the spine we talked about the pelvis we talked about

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the lumbar spine the yellow five-flumbar vertebrae most people have 12 thoracic

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vertebra and they're connected to the rib cage all but the last two anyway the

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last two ribs are free-floating and not part of technically part of the cage

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but

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you'll see that one of the trademarks of these thoracic vertebrae is the rib

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attachments now the rib attachments help create stability to protect all these

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things right heart lungs liver stomach pancreas spleen kidneys small intestine

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you know all that stuff is well not really small intestine but all of the or a

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lot of your your key vital organs are protected by the rib cage but which gives

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it some strength and stability but it also creates a tendency towards stiffness

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many golfers who struggle with lower back pain will benefit from improving the

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mobility of their thoracic spine we're gonna talk about how the ribs relate to

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that because I don't hear that necessarily discussed when you're looking

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at exercise programs to improve it so we've got four natural curves cervical

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curve thoracic curve lumbar curve sacral curve and then a view of the pelvis

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and

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the the shoulders being more or less level so you can see the bulk of the

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torso is going to be this thoracic cage right when that is stiff none of this

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area is gonna move it's gonna move all like a block instead of moving like a

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snake or like a coil now we didn't talk about this last time but I thought it'd

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be fun just to talk about coupled motion a little bit so you'll often hear some

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instruction styles talk about like rotation and side bend and you know

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coupled movements and how those work this is a phyets law I believe is how you

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pronounce it but this is what looks at the coupled movement of the vertebrae so

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the first two only apply to the lumbar thoracic not the cervical and then the

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third principle applies to all of them which is where the the challenge in the

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couple movement things coming you'll see okay so principle number one when the

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spine is in neutral side bending to one side will be accompanied by horizontal

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rotation to the opposite side so that's the natural one where people talk about

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Fred said I mentioned I wrote sorry question came in call my eye I remember

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you did some aldoa training before would you be able to share any exercises

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that

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help with thoracic spine flexibility I can certainly advocate going to do

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Eldoas but or to learn about it but here's my my cautionary tale is I learned I

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learned how to do Eldoas kind of not from someone in person not from someone

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who was trained how to do it and so for about a year I was doing the Eldoa

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exercise wrong and even though I had a high level of anatomy there's a lot of

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details in doing an Eldoa correctly so there are I'll probably put a couple of

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them on the site at some point but I think if you really want to to like

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learn how to do them you have to learn how to do it from someone who's putting

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their hands on you and feeling if you're doing it correctly because the hardest

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thing with it is if you send me a picture of someone doing an Eldoa I've gotten

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better at being able to see the tension but I won't be able to tell if they're

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doing it correctly like in order for me to know if someone's doing an Eldoa I

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have to put my hands on their skin and feel where the tension is and you can't

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just get that from the image so I would be really hesitant to try and teach

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someone how to do an Eldoa for the first time through like online learning I

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just

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don't think it would work and then you'd start to downplay the technique where

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the technique is really powerful and brilliant if you do it correctly but

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like I said I actually got worse from doing Eldoas because I was doing them

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incorrectly because I misunderstood a couple of the key principles so but they

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have there are specific Eldoas for not just the thoracic spine but also for

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each rib and so that the rib ones are really powerful I know that he gives

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those to his twergolfers a lot because well I'm jumping ahead but we'll get to

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with the rib Eldoas you've got 12 thoracic vertebra you've got two ribs on

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each side so if you can if you could improve one degree of movement from

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each rib that would give you 24 degrees more thoracic rotation so and it's very

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easy for the ribs to get stuck we'll look at the muscles and how they that can

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happen here in a bit but I do highly recommend Eldoa exercises for mobility

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but I won't be teaching them online because you can't you literally I don't

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think you can learn how to do them correctly that way you have to be it has

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to be felt okay so principle number two and this is the one that kind of

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throat like creates a huge monkey wrench for golf principal number two if I

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saw so number one is when you side bend you rotate the opposite direction in a

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neutral spine principal number two is when the spine is flexed or extended so

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when it's non neutral then side bending will be accompanied by same side

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rotation so this is a little bit makes the whole argument of well if you side

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bend to the right it'll rotate to you to the left because in the downswing

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you're going to have the spine flex so side bending to the right will actually

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cause rotation to the right and then at the top of the swing you're getting

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into

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some you're probably approaching neutral so the it's probably closer to the you

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know side bend to the left will create rotation to the right but I wouldn't say

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like it's a little simplistic to just say that the spine has this automatic

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pattern and when you side bend to the left it rotates to the right and

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principle

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three which applies to the whole spine is a bigger challenge which is basically

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when you change the spine from neutral you reduce the amount of movement in the

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other two planes so if you flex forward you reduce the ability to rotate and

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side bend if you side bend you reduce the ability to flex forward and rotate

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basically it doesn't like to do all three things at once and so that's where I

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do believe that if we're looking since we're focusing mostly on short game

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today

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if we jump back to you know one of those pros you'll see that through through

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impact it's more of a feeling of extension where the rotation is probably

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happening somewhat from the pelvis but I think it's more of a extension side

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bend

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move than it is like a spine rotation move and so I wanted to include Fayette's

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law to give a little bit of the background of where I'm I might be

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coming up with that idea so perfect let me see if I can make I just wanted to

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be able to see or show you all right so here's law number one which is

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basically as it side bends you'll see because of mostly because of the lig

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aments

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as well as some of the shapes of the facet joints it will create that opposite

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side rotation but when you flex or extend you change the tension in the

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ligaments and so then it actually starts rotating in the same direction or to

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the same side you can experience it if you flex forward and then try and like

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if you sit up and you flex to the side you'll usually rotate open and then if

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you flex forward and rotate to the side you'll usually rotate closed I see

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another question have you seen any tour players on full swings go past neutral

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on their backs wing in regard to extension yes so if you start going they

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usually look at the difference between the thorax and the pelvis and normally

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if

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you start going past five degrees is when you get into some serious risk for

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low back pain but you will see most pros especially with the driver get closer

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to zero again I think it's more about kind of the quality of the of the

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movement and what structures are getting put under tension rather than kind of

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an absolute position which is the hard thing with 3D is they give you

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positions but they don't exactly tell you how you got there okay so here's what

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the thoracic vertebra look like the thoracic vertebra have these little

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blue places where the ribs connect to the spine we'll look at a couple

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different

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images of that so in fact we'll jump ahead all right so the thoracic spine

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basically the the angle of these facet joints changes as you get up towards

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the top of the tree or sorry the top of the spine so at the bottom they're

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pretty much parallel let me do it this way so at the bottom if you're looking

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at

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my spine the facet joints are kind of running this way and then they start

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opening up that way as they get up towards the top of the spine so they

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have a movement of basically like this and they open up kind of that way so

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that

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creates the different axis of rotation and why you like for example the lumbar

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spine doesn't rotate very well because the facet joints would hit each other

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but

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it flexes and extends really well the thoracic spine is a little bit limited

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in flexion extension here we'll get to the numbers but basically the ribs make

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the thoracic spine a little bit less mobile especially in the rotation area

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most of the rotation of the spine happens in the cervical and some in the thor

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acic

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very little in the lumbar lateral flexion is more in the cervical and a fair

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amount in the lumbar extension is a lot in the cervical and then some in the

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thoracic and lumbar and then flexion is pretty well evenly balanced so now

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here's what it looks like when because rotation is the one that's typically

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talked about as the most important for golf so here's what it looks like when a

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thoracic spine rotates when it rotates this direction the rib will slide so the

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back of the rib will actually push backward and the front of the rib will

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compress a little bit and then the vertebrae here is sliding this way on the

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rib almost like you know two hands sliding against each other so that will

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create a little bit more space and this side will actually get pulled in a

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little

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bit because they're tied by cartilage but the cartilage has a little bit of

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wiggle room that's why you get this deformation or change in shape here's a

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little bit more exaggerated view of it where this gets pushed backward pulled

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in

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gets rotated so when you see golfers who have kind of rib sticking out one side

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more than the other there's a good chance that there's a rotation or a

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scoliosis which we'll we'll look at and talk about later

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okay so the the back musculature has an appearance of like guide wires

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similar to what you would see with like a boat or or sails creates tension

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while having flexibility but if these get tilted or in this particular case the

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spine is curved then the the lines of tension become asymmetric so that's

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important because golfers will typically present with asymmetric lines of

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tension at least competitive golfers because of the one-sided high speed

451
00:42:33.180 --> 00:42:40.820
rotational aspect of our sport but here's a couple ways to kind of visualize

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00:42:40.820 --> 00:42:41.220
how

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the spine would adapt and you'll see that typically the rib cage won't have as

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00:42:47.620 --> 00:42:52.620
much curve as the lower or the the upper it'll look kind of more like this

455
00:42:52.620 --> 00:42:52.820
where

456
00:42:52.820 --> 00:42:56.620
it's there's a block here in the middle where it does some but then a big

457
00:42:56.620 --> 00:42:59.940
competition at the bottom of it and a big compensation at the top of it and

458
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:05.660
that's why it's really important to keep it as mobile as possible because it

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00:43:05.660 --> 00:43:05.860
has

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00:43:05.860 --> 00:43:17.300
a tendency to get stiff very easily now over over here on the right these are

461
00:43:17.300 --> 00:43:26.780
muscles in between the ribs and they're largely responsible for expanding the

462
00:43:26.780 --> 00:43:33.260
ribs for that rotation as well as for respiration and so when these muscles

463
00:43:33.260 --> 00:43:37.820
in between the ribs get tight the whole rib cage gets tight when these joints

464
00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:42.620
where the ribs meet the thoracic spine gets tight the whole thoracic spine gets

465
00:43:42.620 --> 00:43:48.540
tight so just focusing on rotating the thoracic spine isn't really going to do

466
00:43:48.540 --> 00:43:55.340
a whole lot unless you work on the rib mobility as well so the interesting

467
00:43:55.340 --> 00:43:58.780
thing about these intercostal muscles is that they've got three different fiber

468
00:43:58.780 --> 00:44:04.420
directions so you have to do in order to really stretch them you have to

469
00:44:04.420 --> 00:44:04.700
stretch

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00:44:04.700 --> 00:44:11.660
them kind of in three different planes or three different directions but I

471
00:44:11.660 --> 00:44:17.500
personally when I was taking one of the classes I gained about 15 to 20 degrees

472
00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:24.700
of rib cage rotation from having a bunch of my organs and lower ribs stuff

473
00:44:24.700 --> 00:44:25.220
worked

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00:44:25.220 --> 00:44:30.860
on because it it freed up some of the gliding movement of the ribs which was

475
00:44:30.860 --> 00:44:38.540
pretty neat pretty cool so now the movement of the ribs is typically

476
00:44:38.540 --> 00:44:46.540
referred to as a bucket handle movement so you can see me here with a bucket

477
00:44:46.540 --> 00:44:53.820
handle it's going to go kind of like this right well you can see the over here

478
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:58.220
sorry at the the top left you see where it says upper and you see where it says

479
00:44:58.220 --> 00:45:03.380
lower so the lower ribs the angle of the bucket handle is more out to the side

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00:45:03.380 --> 00:45:03.860
so

481
00:45:03.860 --> 00:45:10.420
the bottom ribs when they move they kind of move like this but now if you go up

482
00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:16.580
to the angle at the top ribs up here you can see that it's pointing more like

483
00:45:16.580 --> 00:45:23.340
forward so now it moves more up and down so that the top ribs kind of lift and

484
00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:27.620
depress and then the bottom ribs go out kind of like this if they're if they're

485
00:45:27.620 --> 00:45:33.260
having a lot of mobility so that's where breathing exercises that focus on the

486
00:45:33.260 --> 00:45:39.500
bottom ribs kind of going out or pushing backward tend to help with the

487
00:45:39.500 --> 00:45:40.420
mobility

488
00:45:40.420 --> 00:45:43.620
and movement of the rib gauge but there should be a little bit of lifting

489
00:45:43.620 --> 00:45:43.860
during

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00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:54.020
inspiration and then a little depression during expiration so here's a little

491
00:45:54.020 --> 00:46:02.020
look of the diaphragm and basically you can see how it it connects kind of to

492
00:46:02.020 --> 00:46:09.940
the entire surface of the the lower ribs and when it tightens it's going to

493
00:46:09.940 --> 00:46:10.860
pull

494
00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:18.100
itself down which is part of what pulls the bottom ribs wide so it's a very

495
00:46:18.100 --> 00:46:23.460
important breathing muscle but it's also the top of your core bucket we'll do

496
00:46:23.460 --> 00:46:23.940
kind

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00:46:23.940 --> 00:46:29.500
of a core anatomy lesson it at some point but a lot of people will hold their

498
00:46:29.500 --> 00:46:33.740
breath to tighten this movement to create some pressure to try to create

499
00:46:33.740 --> 00:46:39.860
some stability there in the in the rib cage now over on the right these are

500
00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:46.380
all the different muscles that connect to and move the rib cage so while the

501
00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:52.580
diaphragm is the main one you've got scalenes and sternocleidomastoid and

502
00:46:52.580 --> 00:47:01.940
then you've got seratus superior seratus inferior you've got your ileocostalis

503
00:47:01.940 --> 00:47:08.780
and your those the multifitus or rotoras you've got your seratus anterior you

504
00:47:08.780 --> 00:47:08.820
've

505
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:14.420
got your QL you've got your your lats like there's a lot of muscles that are

506
00:47:14.420 --> 00:47:21.820
going to influence the movement of the rib cage so doing stretches and

507
00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:27.980
mobilizations over sorry this is the front side this would be more your oblique

508
00:47:27.980 --> 00:47:36.180
not your lat your lat is over probably not shown 15 it's probably part lat and

509
00:47:36.180 --> 00:47:44.180
then you've got your your pec minor and there's your seratus again so again

510
00:47:44.180 --> 00:47:48.180
there's a lot of muscles that will influence the movement of the rib cage

511
00:47:48.180 --> 00:47:53.060
so if you're doing you know if your competitive golfer I think stretching is

512
00:47:53.060 --> 00:48:01.020
an absolute Dustin Adam Scott a lot of those guys have talked about their

513
00:48:01.020 --> 00:48:07.340
comprehensive stretching programs in interviews I'd say ribcage and hips are

514
00:48:07.340 --> 00:48:13.460
two of the big areas that just every golfer who doesn't have any injuries

515
00:48:13.460 --> 00:48:22.820
needs to keep mobile in order to play or sport well all right so this slide

516
00:48:22.820 --> 00:48:23.100
kind

517
00:48:23.100 --> 00:48:29.580
of shows the two layers of the back musculature so superficial you've got

518
00:48:29.580 --> 00:48:36.500
more your lat your rum or your trapezius your deltoid

519
00:48:36.500 --> 00:48:42.860
there's a little bit of subscap those are gonna be a little they can be

520
00:48:42.860 --> 00:48:47.860
restrictive but they're less involved in the breathing for the for the

521
00:48:47.860 --> 00:48:48.180
breathing

522
00:48:48.180 --> 00:48:55.900
it's a lot more of these deep ones which typically means getting close to like

523
00:48:55.900 --> 00:49:02.620
certain yoga poses work but there are like incorporating the breath into the

524
00:49:02.620 --> 00:49:08.300
the stretch typically helps engage more the deeper system than just doing

525
00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:16.660
facial tension so there's your seratus posterior superior or seratus posterior

526
00:49:16.660 --> 00:49:23.020
inferior those two are can be gnarly breathing inhibitors your QL can hold

527
00:49:23.020 --> 00:49:31.420
the ribcage down your neck muscles can hold the ribcage up but yeah what we'll

528
00:49:31.420 --> 00:49:37.180
also see is in order to rotate it you can see that the direction of a lot of

529
00:49:37.180 --> 00:49:42.220
the deep muscles are more vertical we don't have a picture of the real deep

530
00:49:42.220 --> 00:49:47.020
spine rotators rotators or the rotors but you can see the direction of the

531
00:49:47.020 --> 00:49:54.020
lat so this is why the lat is considered one of your big spine rotators because

532
00:49:54.020 --> 00:49:58.300
the muscles are more horizontal rather than vertical and it's a fairly large

533
00:49:58.300 --> 00:50:04.100
muscle so it has a pretty good pulling force now the the lat can also pull down

534
00:50:04.100 --> 00:50:10.820
so some golfers use the lat to help them some golfers use the hat the lat to

535
00:50:10.820 --> 00:50:18.820
hurt them by creating more of a steepening in transition okay from the front

536
00:50:18.820 --> 00:50:25.780
side you've got your three layers of abs so deepest transverse abdominis that's

537
00:50:25.780 --> 00:50:31.060
what was cut for me and then you've got your internal oblique which is more of

538
00:50:31.060 --> 00:50:38.500
a fan going kind of in all directions than external oblique going more oblique

539
00:50:38.500 --> 00:50:43.940
so kind of diagonally across from your armpit towards your pelvis that's also

540
00:50:43.940 --> 00:50:52.700
one of your big trunk rotation muscles so oblique lat rotors or do a bulk of

541
00:50:52.700 --> 00:50:52.900
the

542
00:50:52.900 --> 00:50:57.980
ribcage or the thoracic spine rotation but the thoracic spine is going to move

543
00:50:57.980 --> 00:51:04.100
as a block unless you have a lot of that ribcage kind of glide which comes from

544
00:51:04.100 --> 00:51:13.380
the attachment points and the the intercostal muscles now I've got just a

545
00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:18.340
couple slides looking at scoliosis you probably don't need to test every single

546
00:51:18.340 --> 00:51:21.580
one of your clients for scoliosis because you're not going to do much even if

547
00:51:21.580 --> 00:51:21.700
you

548
00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:28.380
find anything but you should recognize that if you have golfers who just have

549
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:32.980
a really hard time getting into let's say either getting off their left side

550
00:51:32.980 --> 00:51:40.700
or off their right side then it could be related to scoliosis or leg length

551
00:51:40.700 --> 00:51:47.660
issue because the pelvis is side tilted or rotated because of a scoliosis so

552
00:51:47.660 --> 00:51:52.580
typically golfers who have a leg length issue will spend most of their time on

553
00:51:52.580 --> 00:51:57.780
the shorter leg on the down leg so if you have a golfer who's left leg is short

554
00:51:57.780 --> 00:52:01.180
they'll typically be better wedge players and have a lot of trouble when

555
00:52:01.180 --> 00:52:05.500
they get to the driver you'll have to make some adjustments and when you have a

556
00:52:05.500 --> 00:52:09.900
shorter right leg they'll typically be good drivers the golf ball long iron

557
00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:16.820
players and struggle more with the wedges so looking at this can help if you

558
00:52:16.820 --> 00:52:24.460
have someone on your team who can help with kind of maintaining or preventing

559
00:52:24.460 --> 00:52:28.020
us liosis from getting worse or the very least balancing a pelvis and a leg

560
00:52:28.020 --> 00:52:34.500
length issue but this is one kind of if you feel like you've been doing a lot

561
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:38.380
of the right stuff and the spine just doesn't look right or isn't moving well

562
00:52:38.380 --> 00:52:43.500
there could be some rotation going on we saw what happened when we rotated the

563
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:47.460
spine it changed the shape of the ribcage and that's what happens here if the

564
00:52:47.460 --> 00:52:55.060
scoliosis is in the thoracic spine so in this country they you they don't do

565
00:52:55.060 --> 00:53:00.500
much with a scoliosis until it gets to about 40 degrees but Eldoas and some

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00:53:00.500 --> 00:53:06.540
other myofascial stretching can help prevent a there are two two types of

567
00:53:06.540 --> 00:53:10.500
scoliosis functional and structural structural is from the actual shape of

568
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:15.460
the bones and functional is more from like the muscle tension around it if

569
00:53:15.460 --> 00:53:19.700
it's functional then you can improve it if it's structural you can prevent it

570
00:53:19.700 --> 00:53:28.020
from getting worse and kind of help them avoid it getting really bad but there

571
00:53:28.020 --> 00:53:31.860
are some really good golfers toward golfers who have scoliosis so I don't

572
00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:37.700
think it's a complete decence but it does make it more challenging to move

573
00:53:37.700 --> 00:53:43.140
symmetrically if your platform of rotation is favoring one side or the

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00:53:43.140 --> 00:53:55.820
other so then here's okay so here's kind of that bucket handle idea so here's a

575
00:53:55.820 --> 00:54:00.080
little you can see how the rib sits on to the vertebra and you can see it

576
00:54:00.080 --> 00:54:00.540
mostly

577
00:54:00.540 --> 00:54:10.540
or it pivots up and down but now imagine so this is a lower thoracic where it's

578
00:54:10.540 --> 00:54:17.380
kind of odd an angle like this imagine that the the this second turbetrical

579
00:54:17.380 --> 00:54:21.380
here was more out to the side so then instead of being on an angle like this

580
00:54:21.380 --> 00:54:24.940
it was on an angle like that it would move more up and down that's pretty much

581
00:54:24.940 --> 00:54:34.060
how the ribs work and you'll see they're just talking about some of the basic

582
00:54:34.060 --> 00:54:40.940
motions so that's a fun one there you can kind of see how if there was a rib

583
00:54:40.940 --> 00:54:47.460
attached here and out in front out in this side how it would have to deform in

584
00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:53.020
its shape if your ribs can't deform then it's going to be really hard to rotate

585
00:54:53.020 --> 00:55:00.380
same thing with side bend a little less with flexion extension that's less

586
00:55:00.380 --> 00:55:00.640
about

587
00:55:00.640 --> 00:55:06.660
the rib and more about the actual spine okay I'll check and see if there any

588
00:55:06.660 --> 00:55:07.500
any

589
00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:17.620
questions on thoracic spine one of my favorites absolute just helpful for every

590
00:55:17.620 --> 00:55:23.780
golfer to work on their thoracic spine mobility so if you can add those tools

591
00:55:23.780 --> 00:55:28.860
to your toolbox becomes great all right we had one swing sent in to have a look

592
00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:35.100
at that's actually a pretty good one so this should be fun 16-year-old girl

593
00:55:35.100 --> 00:55:39.140
forehandy cap so good golfer which means we got to be a little careful she has

594
00:55:39.140 --> 00:55:43.620
recently developed a steep downswing we've tried several drills to improve her

595
00:55:43.620 --> 00:55:51.220
sequence into shallow club and if you're on you can let us know what what you

596
00:55:51.220 --> 00:55:51.260
've

597
00:55:51.260 --> 00:55:56.900
tried to do as far as showing the club but she tends to hit pulls fades and

598
00:55:56.900 --> 00:56:02.260
chunks so pulls are steep fades are steep chunks can be steep she also tends to

599
00:56:02.260 --> 00:56:07.620
have a little bit of tension or sorry tends to have a lot of tension jump it

600
00:56:07.620 --> 00:56:21.420
over to the analyzer okay and I see a question come I might be jumping ahead

601
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:26.020
but do you have any deep stretch stretches to keep the thoracic spine

602
00:56:26.020 --> 00:56:32.180
flexible I remember you mentioned that foam rolling can improve flexibility but

603
00:56:32.180 --> 00:56:38.380
it would have to be done daily yeah and the the challenge so the simple answer

604
00:56:38.380 --> 00:56:38.540
is

605
00:56:38.540 --> 00:56:43.860
yes there are lots of exercises that can improve with spine flexibility to get

606
00:56:43.860 --> 00:56:49.140
the really deep stuff you have to incorporate breath into the stretch

607
00:56:49.140 --> 00:56:56.780
really well and to get the deep stuff you kind of like you have to use your

608
00:56:56.780 --> 00:57:03.020
your facial principles to put everything on tension so the deeper the stretch

609
00:57:03.020 --> 00:57:08.220
usually the more precise you have to be with with the position and how you're

610
00:57:08.220 --> 00:57:16.620
doing it so that's where I'm a big fan of the of Gee's two classes on the the

611
00:57:16.620 --> 00:57:20.980
Eldoas and the myofascial stretching but like I said they're very technical

612
00:57:20.980 --> 00:57:25.940
like usually to teach someone how to stretch your hip flexor it takes me

613
00:57:25.940 --> 00:57:33.420
about 15 minutes to walk through someone through all the different key factors

614
00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:38.500
of getting the stretch to feel right and then working them through so I haven't

615
00:57:38.500 --> 00:57:42.260
done them online because I just think that they're they're way more technical

616
00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:45.500
than a golf swing they're not something that you can just kind of like get in

617
00:57:45.500 --> 00:57:50.020
there and figure it out like you can low point or face control or something

618
00:57:50.020 --> 00:57:55.620
like that they're very precise if you're trying to get the right stretch and a

619
00:57:55.620 --> 00:58:01.260
lot of them especially the deeper ones they can be harmful if you do them in

620
00:58:01.260 --> 00:58:08.780
correctly so I'm just less hesitant or I'm more hesitant to to try and teach

621
00:58:08.780 --> 00:58:12.740
that stuff through online learning I haven't figured out how to do that yet

622
00:58:12.740 --> 00:58:24.500
but so foam rolling I think can be a helpful short term but I like I think if

623
00:58:24.500 --> 00:58:30.140
you learn how to stretch stretching is way better longevity wise than foam

624
00:58:30.140 --> 00:58:36.140
rolling foam rolling has very little long-term carryover it's it helps you

625
00:58:36.140 --> 00:58:41.100
feel better you know for whatever it is a few hours but it's not gonna make

626
00:58:41.100 --> 00:58:41.780
huge

627
00:58:41.780 --> 00:58:48.180
improvement improvements in your mobility over the long one let's see Jonathan

628
00:58:48.180 --> 00:58:48.300
I

629
00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:52.620
feel like everyone teaching the squat and rotate downswing or missing the first

630
00:58:52.620 --> 00:58:59.140
move that leads to that which is determined the back 45 won't that always

631
00:58:59.140 --> 00:59:06.980
proceed the getting the the hip the right hip getting high coming down in

632
00:59:06.980 --> 00:59:16.020
spinning yeah I mean I think I think the the squat and rotate is more of a

633
00:59:16.020 --> 00:59:21.580
anti-slide feeling for golfers who already slide a lot so I will use it for

634
00:59:21.580 --> 00:59:28.780
for golfers who you know have six eight you know basically like lots of lower

635
00:59:28.780 --> 00:59:36.060
body lateral movement but you know by the book you should have a four to six

636
00:59:36.060 --> 00:59:43.500
inch lateral bump or I'll say three to six inch lateral bump as you're starting

637
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:47.900
the downswing and starting rotation it definitely shouldn't actually just

638
00:59:47.900 --> 00:59:54.060
squat and rotate so one of the biggest bear like one of the biggest challenges

639
00:59:54.060 --> 00:59:57.660
I see is that some golfers or golf instructors when they're having these

640
00:59:57.660 --> 01:00:05.060
debates get really upset when when something isn't described factually I'm

641
01:00:05.060 --> 01:00:09.620
doing a video on this so it was a it was a cool week where I had three

642
01:00:09.620 --> 01:00:13.780
different golfers learning how to stay more centered one of them had to feel

643
01:00:13.780 --> 01:00:16.780
like they were hanging back to stay centered one of them had to feel like they

644
01:00:16.780 --> 01:00:20.180
were lunging forward to stay centered and one of them had to feel like they

645
01:00:20.180 --> 01:00:25.060
were flexing forward to stay centered and so all three of them if they were

646
01:00:25.060 --> 01:00:29.180
golf instructors would have written an article that like all three of these

647
01:00:29.180 --> 01:00:34.940
movements were the key movement to staying centered and they were literally

648
01:00:34.940 --> 01:00:40.700
180 degrees from each other so it's important to know what you want and then

649
01:00:40.700 --> 01:00:45.940
if you're on one side you probably have to do an exaggeration of the other in

650
01:00:45.940 --> 01:00:52.060
order to get there so I like to give drills that give kind of an accurate feel

651
01:00:52.060 --> 01:00:58.020
like the back 45 but I don't discount the exaggeration drills which is what a

652
01:00:58.020 --> 01:01:05.210
lot of I think a lot of golf instructors gravitate towards such as the the

653
01:01:05.210 --> 01:01:05.500
squat

654
01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:11.780
and rotate squat and rotate definitely helps and works for some golfers and the

655
01:01:11.780 --> 01:01:17.180
more slide and jump tends to work and help for other golfers so you just have

656
01:01:17.180 --> 01:01:28.220
to know when to apply which tool all right so getting back to our our student

657
01:01:28.220 --> 01:01:33.140
here who's struggling with getting a little bit steep

658
01:01:33.140 --> 01:01:41.100
question don't you think the people that slide too much coming down get into

659
01:01:41.100 --> 01:01:45.380
their left leg the proper way not necessarily what I what I think happens

660
01:01:45.380 --> 01:01:52.340
is so with a with a slide we'll we'll look at some swing faults at some point

661
01:01:52.340 --> 01:01:56.940
with one of these but with a slide it's typically not using the left leg

662
01:01:56.940 --> 01:02:01.500
correctly the right leg might be working fine but the left leg is not working

663
01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:06.940
correctly and and the release is almost always incorrect if you have a big

664
01:02:06.940 --> 01:02:11.620
slide because if you have a good release and a big slide you should be really

665
01:02:11.620 --> 01:02:21.420
steep so that I would say that it's using the right side fairly well in

666
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:29.100
transition but it's not using the left side well mid downswing so that's that's

667
01:02:29.100 --> 01:02:32.500
kind of how I would classify the slide

668
01:02:33.020 --> 01:02:37.860
I worked with a girl who came from out of town this weekend and we did a

669
01:02:37.860 --> 01:02:43.540
bunch of anti-slide exercises after we improved her release and she was hitting

670
01:02:43.540 --> 01:02:52.180
them all pretty good by the time she was leaving okay so over here we're gonna

671
01:02:52.180 --> 01:02:57.740
take a look at the steepening aspect

672
01:03:03.580 --> 01:03:11.300
okay so it looks like it gets a bit steep early but the shaft is

673
01:03:11.300 --> 01:03:14.700
shallowing out pretty nicely

674
01:03:14.700 --> 01:03:22.580
to be clear slide is different sorry question coming in slide is different

675
01:03:22.580 --> 01:03:27.220
from the Jackson 5 correct yeah I refer to the Jackson 5 is just the bump

676
01:03:27.220 --> 01:03:33.420
before the rotation like 95% of tour pros will have lateral movement before

677
01:03:33.420 --> 01:03:39.580
rotation but it's it's the degree is fairly slight but sometimes it has to be

678
01:03:39.580 --> 01:03:43.540
exaggerated in order to get that pattern so the amount of slide is

679
01:03:43.540 --> 01:03:48.820
typically about three three to six inches but the timing is the more

680
01:03:48.820 --> 01:03:52.420
important thing that there's a little bit of the lateral movement before the

681
01:03:52.420 --> 01:04:01.020
rotation that's kind of a little pressure shift before or as you're starting to

682
01:04:01.020 --> 01:04:09.580
rotate so that's where the squat and the squat and rotate crowd if you don't

683
01:04:09.580 --> 01:04:15.900
already have too much pressure shift could give you the wrong order of slide

684
01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:23.700
then try to shift okay back to our case study here and I don't think Ed is on

685
01:04:23.700 --> 01:04:30.260
this so all right so it gets a little steep there in transition or a little

686
01:04:30.260 --> 01:04:39.180
bit more kind of early thorax rotation but I wouldn't necessarily call that

687
01:04:39.180 --> 01:04:50.020
steep at least compared to the the hand path and the forearm path so good

688
01:04:50.020 --> 01:04:59.580
golfers are sometimes trickier so we can see from this down the line we've got

689
01:04:59.580 --> 01:05:05.700
that left shoulder lifting and elbow bending even though it was coming in

690
01:05:05.700 --> 01:05:11.720
from a pretty good pattern here you can see something going on with that leg I

691
01:05:11.720 --> 01:05:11.740
'm

692
01:05:11.740 --> 01:05:17.900
guessing from the face on view we're going to get a few more pieces to the

693
01:05:17.900 --> 01:05:23.700
puzzle so from the down the line view we saw that shoulder kind of spinning out

694
01:05:23.700 --> 01:05:38.580
of the way so here would be an example of okay I think we've got some slide

695
01:05:38.580 --> 01:05:46.600
tendencies and if we I'm not quite if I'm going off the alignment stick then

696
01:05:46.600 --> 01:05:53.880
this camera might be a little bit closed because one of the things that worries

697
01:05:53.880 --> 01:06:02.880
me for this particular golfer is how far the knee has gotten past the ankle and

698
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:08.840
where so the center of the hip is probably right about there and there's

699
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:13.840
the center of the ankle if you're if you're going to if you've got the ankle

700
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:14.040
and

701
01:06:14.040 --> 01:06:18.640
then the hip pretty much on top of each other and the only direction you can

702
01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:25.680
really apply force is vertical so she'll get her knee farther out so that then

703
01:06:25.680 --> 01:06:33.200
the knee can now apply kind of a breaking force to the to the hip and again

704
01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:33.360
this

705
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:39.140
is where the angle of the camera could make it look like the ball is more back

706
01:06:39.140 --> 01:06:50.540
but that's from if it's close that's a dangerous amount of upper body past the

707
01:06:50.540 --> 01:06:58.060
golf ball like it will be hard not to be steep from that particular position so

708
01:06:58.060 --> 01:07:06.820
what I see over here is more of too much kind of the knee moving in that way

709
01:07:06.820 --> 01:07:07.100
and

710
01:07:07.100 --> 01:07:14.480
the whole pelvis moving that way that shifts the low point forward so then she

711
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:20.240
has to fall into a little bit more of kind of like that extra extension and

712
01:07:20.240 --> 01:07:26.000
bend the arms on the way through which causes the low point to get high so from

713
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:33.860
the face-on view even though it's coming in steep you'll see how quickly the

714
01:07:33.860 --> 01:07:40.240
club is coming up off the ground that's because if she kept extending her arms

715
01:07:40.240 --> 01:07:45.280
with a good release from that position the club would probably have a 10 degree

716
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:50.240
angle of attack which it may already or you know it might have a high angle of

717
01:07:50.240 --> 01:07:56.520
attack to begin with so I would work on the lead leg bracing and getting a

718
01:07:56.520 --> 01:08:03.420
little bit better relationship here so feeling like the foot was pushing

719
01:08:03.420 --> 01:08:08.160
against the ground that way in order to drive that left hip back and she'll

720
01:08:08.160 --> 01:08:13.280
probably have to feel like her chest is a little bit closer to the ground

721
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:14.220
through

722
01:08:14.220 --> 01:08:26.560
the release like that movement their screams low point fat pull so I don't

723
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:37.080
think the I'm a little less worried about that other than part of what gives

724
01:08:37.080 --> 01:08:44.900
the look of that being steeper is the upper body lunge or spin kind of right

725
01:08:44.900 --> 01:08:54.860
there so if the but I think that the lower body is preventing better sequencing

726
01:08:54.860 --> 01:08:59.920
because remember good sequencing creates a steepening to the path so if

727
01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:04.260
you're already steep it's hard to add any element that would be steeper by

728
01:09:04.260 --> 01:09:08.240
having a little bit better pressure here so that the upper body was a little

729
01:09:08.240 --> 01:09:08.460
bit

730
01:09:08.460 --> 01:09:11.660
more back that would add shallow so then I could add a little bit of forward

731
01:09:11.660 --> 01:09:16.580
flexion which would create more of the space for the arms to extend on the way

732
01:09:16.580 --> 01:09:21.500
through instead of having to bend which would help move the low point further

733
01:09:21.500 --> 01:09:28.860
forward getting out of the contact miss pattern so that's that's kind of the

734
01:09:28.860 --> 01:09:33.780
recipe of where I would start there there's a lot of really good things like I

735
01:09:33.780 --> 01:09:34.580
like

736
01:09:34.580 --> 01:09:39.380
a lot of how her arms are coming down into the ball but then she's in us and

737
01:09:39.380 --> 01:09:45.220
how they're getting through because they they can't be they can't be that much

738
01:09:45.220 --> 01:09:55.940
better than they are with that much slide and extension through the ball so

739
01:09:55.940 --> 01:10:02.300
hope that helps Ed please give us an update let us know you know what you if

740
01:10:02.300 --> 01:10:08.380
if that's any of the direction that you've already tried but definitely work on

741
01:10:08.380 --> 01:10:13.540
that aspect to help take away the steep and then that will give her some

742
01:10:13.540 --> 01:10:18.740
liberty to to stay a little bit more back with that shoulder and that'll by

743
01:10:18.740 --> 01:10:24.020
staying down if she just stayed back and still used her spine the same way she

744
01:10:24.020 --> 01:10:27.260
would bottom out behind the ball but by staying forward it would allow her to

745
01:10:27.260 --> 01:10:34.580
have a little bit more of the white board get the low point forward okay I'll

746
01:10:34.580 --> 01:10:40.820
check and see if there's any other questions because that was the only

747
01:10:40.820 --> 01:10:49.820
swing submission but if you have any suggestions for the July webinar or any

748
01:10:49.820 --> 01:10:53.540
questions you'd like to see discussed or topics you'd like to see covered I

749
01:10:53.540 --> 01:11:01.580
always get ideas from your questions so please don't hesitate otherwise I hope

750
01:11:01.580 --> 01:11:07.460
you learn some stuff about the follow-through position and the pivot in the

751
01:11:07.460 --> 01:11:18.100
finesse wedge Fred asked what's my definition of a good ball striker a good

752
01:11:18.100 --> 01:11:22.940
ball striker makes center face contact low point ahead of the golf ball and

753
01:11:22.940 --> 01:11:32.780
controls the curve and I'd say hits 12 greens or more per round with the

754
01:11:32.780 --> 01:11:38.820
capability of hitting you know good days can be 15 greens I think I think those

755
01:11:38.820 --> 01:11:47.520
are traits that good ball strikers share you may have covered this but how

756
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:47.620
would

757
01:11:47.620 --> 01:11:56.260
you teach a beginning golfer a downswing first I normally work on some type of

758
01:11:56.260 --> 01:12:00.860
low point drill so basically clarifying the objective we're trying to get the

759
01:12:00.860 --> 01:12:05.780
club to hit the ground I'll use some type of windmill or merry-go-round or

760
01:12:05.780 --> 01:12:13.580
something to feel the body turning around a circle and then basically work on

761
01:12:13.580 --> 01:12:19.020
follow-through position so I almost always start a beginner with where do I

762
01:12:19.020 --> 01:12:27.860
want them to end up at that position and we do a bunch of nine to three is

763
01:12:27.860 --> 01:12:33.220
working on that position and getting a feel of solid contact and then when you

764
01:12:33.220 --> 01:12:39.620
go to full swing see what tends to break down there oftentimes with

765
01:12:39.620 --> 01:12:44.540
beginner you'll have to go club face control as well but the main goal for me

766
01:12:44.540 --> 01:12:52.300
is getting solid contact which comes from more low point control but good

767
01:12:52.300 --> 01:12:55.740
questions Fred and Jonathan I appreciate having you guys on the call this

768
01:12:55.740 --> 01:12:56.100
morning

769
01:12:56.100 --> 01:13:05.540
and again if you have any suggestions for 3D topics or I've got my anatomy

770
01:13:05.540 --> 01:13:09.860
list but 3D topics you'd like me to cover I have some ideas but I'm always

771
01:13:09.860 --> 01:13:17.620
willing to adjust based on your suggestions okay Fred one more question I

772
01:13:17.620 --> 01:13:21.100
see I recently heard a podcast of Scotland mentioning that he thinks the

773
01:13:21.100 --> 01:13:26.140
correct order on efficient downswing I think pelvis sequence is lateral

774
01:13:26.140 --> 01:13:32.860
rotation vertical do you see the same so I tend to look at things from more of

775
01:13:32.860 --> 01:13:33.380
a

776
01:13:33.380 --> 01:13:42.180
anatomy and body movement rather than pure forces because I don't think the

777
01:13:42.180 --> 01:13:49.580
bot like I don't think here's the the quality of the information is only as

778
01:13:49.580 --> 01:13:54.700
good as the body's ability to differentiate it and the hip is truly a

779
01:13:54.700 --> 01:14:01.140
360 joint so the hip doesn't really no lateral verse rotation it knows muscles

780
01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:10.780
that can activate and it has degrees of freedom they can move in so I would say

781
01:14:10.780 --> 01:14:18.500
in general yes I would agree with the lateral rotation vertical I would say

782
01:14:18.500 --> 01:14:23.740
that most golfers will feel the lateral and the rotational close together or

783
01:14:23.740 --> 01:14:31.180
they'll feel lateral and then vertical with no rotation I think there's a fair

784
01:14:31.180 --> 01:14:37.780
amount of variability in what a golfer will feel but yes I would say the

785
01:14:37.780 --> 01:14:43.500
efficient downswing sequence they're talking about the foot pressure would

786
01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:48.640
probably be lateral rotation vertical yeah vertical is definitely last that's

787
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:54.040
more the bracing movement lateral is definitely first I don't know exactly

788
01:14:54.040 --> 01:15:00.560
when the peaking order for a rotation fits in but yeah I would I would say

789
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:07.440
the same and a lot of you know a lot of golfers are more dominant in one than

790
01:15:07.440 --> 01:15:13.640
the other so this would be a golfer who might be lacking in the vertical she

791
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:21.080
looks like she's got a bit more rotational or lateral so it's nice to to

792
01:15:21.080 --> 01:15:27.940
know how to put them in boxes but I think that ultimately it's the the body

793
01:15:27.940 --> 01:15:34.640
movements that are more important to train and coordinate than the descriptions